I do, every day. And expecting to be thanked for ten years of daily play is hardly
outrageous.
This corporation is filthy rich, due in no small part to the people who have played their products daily.
But you do you.
Pour the contents of your wallet out.
There is nothing wrong with expecting recognition for ten years of consistent play.
#ignored
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I feel like you are both talking past each other.
As I type this on my phone I’m eating at Panda Express. On the door walking in was a “now hiring” sign that advertised that employees get “free meals.” I couldn’t help but think to myself that that’s BS, the employees have to work to earn those meals. It’s just a company paying their staff in food instead of money.
Then I read this thread and was shocked in the opening post. Ten years of daily logins? That’s insane. But the point of the Panda Express sign coincidentally applies here too. The question of whether “free” is actually free or not hinges upon whether or not play is play or whether it’s actually work.
Spoiler warning: it’s not work. Period. But the core of the disconnect is that it felt like work to Mallenroh. Making sure he logs on every day and completes those quests like the bestest boy that he is must have felt more and more like an achievement. That’s why game developers make in-game achievements, to fool people into thinking that they’re actually achieving things. As if logging in every day somehow kept the company afloat, when Mallenroh should know good and well that the only thing that does that are whales.
I wish someone would have told you sooner, but no. There is no reward whatsoever for ten years of daily logins. You’re not even keeping ActiBlizzion afloat or whatever. They never needed you and you haven’t done anything for them. All you’ve done is waste your time. And you’re not going to get a prize for wasting your time.
You’re not even the Panda Express employee bro. You’re not particularly a customer either. You’re some homeless weirdo who hangs outside the Panda Express every single day muttering oddball things to yourself. And because you’ve done this for so many years you’ve somehow convinced yourself that Panda Express owes you free food. I get that you feel that you’ve put the work in, but real talk, no one else sees it that way or cares.
And Neon, you can make a big deal about the “free” stuff, but as far as I’m concerned those “free” rewards aren’t motivated by generosity, they’re intended to bring in more money than they cost.
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20 free packs and I’d be happy haha
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I liked my orc statue…
On the other hand, card backs I have so many, I tried to set favourites to use the new rumble card back and couldn’t even find it. 1 of 2 for the weekend.
Yes but its like when mounts climb past 200 and pets near 600, it’s really hard to care about new ones.
Something physical Is a lot more meaningful then +1 to a digital good when you have 100 or 200.
40 weeks of the year a tavern brawl pack is
just 40 dust and you need 1000’s to create a legendary.
random odds, if they where 20 packs from anytime in hearthstone history I would probably average 1 new card and whole lot of dust.
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Long time players have got to play the game for ten years. If this is not enough then stop playing the game. Maybe you will find something else you enjoy.
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And those all require putting in work to get. These are given away just for logging in. A more direct comparison is the odd single pack we are tossed every now and then, the card back you mentioned. Mere scraps in comparison.
In short, it’s a disparate outcome, considering:
and not to put too fine a point on it:
And to be the bluntest possible about it:
Well, except for, you know…TWO AND A HALF MEGA BUNDLES more. Not for the first time they gave them a bunch of free packs, decks, etc either. And now “catch up packs.”
spot on, and those saying otherwise are gaslighting in true actiblizz fashion.
Free means you don’t have to invest something for it. If you have to invest something, even your time: you paid for it.
For the love of The Holy Light: only in 2023, would the idea that a game THEY ADVERTISE AS F2P (and if I stress that point any harder it will create a singularity that will possibly be detected by CERN): be now thought of as “stealing.”
/picard double panda godzilla facedesk
But it is payment by another medium: time. And if you don’t think time isn’t considered a form of cost…you’ve missed several thousand years of human discourse on this very subject.
Even actiblizz agrees with this: “time is money, friend.”
Counterpoint: wow, literally gave out statues for ten year loyalty, and yes, ten years of log ins very much pumps up their metrics, otherwise they wouldn’t be counting them.
Here’s an experiment that I’d love to see the devs tell every true f2p player do: not log in for a month. Just to test your statement. Because if that were the case, the game would dry up and die in that month. based on the metrics alone, and the higher ups would fire whoever came up with and rubber stamped the idea.
Aside from the fact that no one in this company understands business 101 where they teach you, among a whole host of other important lessons this company glosses over (including that “harassment is bad” stuff in great detail) that it takes 2-3 times the investment to get a new customer (more for ones that are no longer customers) than it does to keep an existing one.
orc lover!
This. Hence sending those of us in that club a real legendary card back. We like our real swag!
That’s kind of the point. Hence the loyalty (or prisoner’s jumpsuit) reward.
; )
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No, time isn’t money. Or at least not all time; only some of it is.
Economic history lesson: back when capitalism was relatively new a famous book was written as a kind of protoeconomics, called The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. It introduced something called the Cost Theory of Value, which says that things are worth what they cost to make. This echoes the sentiment that you’re expressing here, and I absolutely agree that time is the fundamental unit of cost that all costs eventually boil down into. Karl Marx agreed that human time (labor) is the fundamental unit of cost and essentially took Adam’s idea, said “I made this,” and rebranded it as his Labor Theory of Value.
The problem is that the Cost Theory of Value is absolutely crap and the vast majority of Marxists haven’t gotten the memo. Although to be fair it wasn’t originally Marx’s error and the Cost Theory of Value was very academically trendy and respected when he stole it, and the part Marx added, regarding human time as the fundamental unit of cost, was actually spot on. So I blame Smith mostly for the initial error and the intellectuals who took over Marxism after Marx’s death for not hitting the Theory with a balance patch.
The correct economics for theory of value is marginal utility, but that’s kinda beside the point. The point isn’t that time is money, it’s that time costs money. It is very possible to pay the cost and get… absolutely nothing. By which I don’t mean that your labor is stolen, no. I mean you spend a few hours playing with dirt and the product is made of dirt and therefore worthless. There’s nothing to steal because no value was generated.
When I said it wasn’t work, what I meant was that no value was generated, so it was just spending a bunch of time to create dirt sculptures.
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This is a case where I happen to agree with you, but you’re giving this impression that our idea is popular when it really isn’t. If the venture capitalist billionaires of Silicon Valley had a motto it would probably be “forget retention, get new customers!” With the story of fraudster Adam Neumann making millions off of WeWork pitches I’d like to hope that people are starting to get wise that this attitude of hyper aggressive expansion has become so dogmatic as to be exploitable, but it’s how the tech startups that made it big like Uber and Amazon think, and that’s the sort of thing that makes colleges of business take notice. Retention is currently old school and out of style. Like I said, I think retention also happens to be wise and correct, but if you think this is Business 101 these days then you had an eccentric and probably borderline elderly professor.
I guess the good news is that sometime in the near future the trendsetters will probably “rediscover” retention and it’ll be the new fad to replace the old fad, and the cycle of stupid one size fits all solutions will begin anew.
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At its core, it’s a way of saying “time is valuable.” And some of those “dirt sculptures” are either Wonders of The World, are worth more than a lot of cities, and took more talent to design and create than the entire actlbizz roster put together. Obviously, like time, some are valued more than others.
Obviously some value their time more than others, and there’s a veritable plethora of people who get rich selling all manner of advice on how to maximize it. At the core of he argument here is: the time invested in the game is valuable, and the perception from the company is that they value people who were investing their time elsewhere, rather than telling the people who actually invested their time in the game that they value them.
I could go on about how this is reinforced by a large number of factors, but that players are also by and large dissatisfied by a number of other factors as well means there is a low (probably nonexistent) reserve of goodwill towards the devs and this company, which they continue to overdraft on a regular basis.
Then they double down on chasing people who left, which continues to send this message, while continually driving customers away form the game. In fact, as I have pointed out, these moves INCENTIVIZE people to leave the game, as now there is not only no penalty for doing so, you can get catch up packs and bounce right back to where someone who has played without a break with no problems.
incentivize
Do long time players want roadblocks? No, but an equal measure of value for the time invested (let’s call it customer loyalty) shows they actually care about the people keeping their game alive.
And they can’t understand why they are on the verge of another video game crash.
Failing to follow sound business practice is how you wind up losing your business.
Because chasing lost customers is a both a sunk cost fallacy and the law of diminishing returns. With the added bonus of continuing to add current customers to the “lost customers” column.
All of this has happened before, and will happen again.
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I think he’s asking for an event or reward which actively EXCLUDES anyone who has not played consecutively for the last 10 years.
As dumb as that sounds. Lol
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If playing the game is work to you, then quit.
Nothing about hearthstone is work, and it’s an insult to people who actually work to call it such. It’s a luxury to have both the means to play this game and the free time to do it.
Like your compatriot in this pity party, you hate literally everything blizzard does and it’s not worth trying to reason with you because you’re flat unreasonable.
Mall and you are just wrong because your entire perspective is rooted in selfish entitlement, jealousy, and greed.
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Yes, seems like they don’t want to reward loyalty at all… I started to play from closed beta… left for 5 years and returned only a few ago. My first goal was just to reach 500 win with Paladin to get the golden portrait… I started to enjoy the game again and didn’t realize when got the 1000 win Paladin skin… 
after that… 5000 total wins gave golden Legendary core set… now I have more then 8000 wins and get nothing… atleast they could let us chose a hero skin per 1000 wins in the library for free… or a card back… or something like that. 
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why give the crack addict a free pipe, theyll be back tomorrow anyways
its all about getting the recovering addicts back
One thread for not giving select players a reward. Probably a dozen threads if they did because the active players who didn’t get it deserve a reward as well.
This is just the “Free packs for returning players” thread with a twist. If they did any anniversary event** (which would be nice of course) they would give stuff to everyone. It sounds like you want to be given extra stuff because reasons. What about players who spent more money, were online more, played more games or any other metric you can think of?
I would love more free stuff, but believing you are entitled to a card back reward (which btw, even the people here who agreed with you don’t want as the reward) for playing is insane. And saying stuff like it doesn’t cost them anything, so they are greedy for not doing it is also insane because there would always be someone saying “well they should give away even more, because it doesn’t cost them anything”.
**I also don’t understand the problem with event rewards being locked behind content. Almost always being the exact content in which those rewards are used in. Like, playing games to receive a card back or card pack…where else are you going to use those?
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Uh oh: to you lot, telling people to quit here is a BIG no no!
Wow, EVERYTHING? I’ve never even had a cup of coffee brewed by them, so I can’t hate that. I’ve never been to a dinner party hosted by them, so I can’t hate that. Aside from the year they were not addressing the Hong Kong protests, most blizzcons were actually prettyt…what’s the words the kids on the internet use these days…uh, cool? So that’s a HUGE shoot down there…I’m absolutely positive I would LOVE a trip on kotick’s yacht, so again, wrong there.
This is the problem with the actiblizz defense force hyperbole: the desperate attempt to take legitimate criticism and take it to some nonsensical place. “Oh man, customers want loyalty rewarded?! THEY MUST HATE EVERYTHING, EVEN THE WAY THEY DRESS AT IRVINE!”
*The actiblizz defense force
**pro corporate blindness, a refusal to consider the players viewpoint, especially when there is a slew of legitimate issues, and support for corporate greed/ineptitude/what have you
It’s this lack of thought for long time players that shows they really don’t have any real long term strategy for the game.
And their defenders and their corporate overlords will continue to play surprise pikachu when the game continues to underperform (and be beaten by candy crush of all titles).
long time customer loyalty. It’s like people aren’t even reading the thread.
Which is equally hilarious, because the same people defending TWO AND A HALF MEGA BUNDLES worth of cards being given away are also saying “it costs them nothing, why are you complaining?” so, maybe you guys should pick a lane.
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I did, which is why I know his reason was
Long time customer loyalty? No, specifically the people playing since it started. Those players are the ones he wants to get rewarded. “Ten Years: Where my Card Back?”
He does later say stuff like
But this is a reply to specific person, 10 posts into this thread already. This thread is about Mal wanting a reward for Ten years of playing. Which would be fine if they did, but it’s also a reason that rewards himself. So I’ll just copy the line I typed after the one you quoted from me
Mal didn’t start the thread asking for long time customer loyalty rewards, which would benefit countless more people than just the decade long players. He cherry picked a reason that benefitted himself. That is the problem I have here (and tbh with most of Mal’s Mage threads). Arbitrarily picking a thing and saying “I deserve a reward for that”.
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Unless I shifted universes…hearthstone literally celebrates ten years NEXT year. So his “ten year” reward request, which I dove tailed with the comparison to the wow orc statue (boo) and pointed out a real life legend card back statue wouldn’t be unreasonable WOULD benefit the number of people you’re talking about.
Now if he had posted something like:
“…they need to reward players who only play play mage decks whose names start with ‘M-A-L’” I would have disagreed with him and said it needed to be expanded a bit.
Now I can’t speak for him, but I’m sure by “long time players” he’s talking about people who have played for…let’s say 5 or more years, but haven’t been here since the beginning.
Literally no different than wow’s orc statue (boo), and he asked for one for everyone in the same boat as him. In fact, he literally agreed with your position when it was brought up.
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This is your pet name for everyone who disagrees with your horrid views and it’s factually wrong in most cases.
You are basically just a troll and should be flagged as such.
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You folks keep arguing. I’m going to eat a delicious looking cheeseburger and not worry about the cheese.
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did they announce a card back ? alli know from blizzcon is the BG duos i watched on twitch