My sympathy Sigmarchales I think I met you on Twitter I hope Blizzard can keep business in China going and keep the games up somehow
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All of the above is new to me.
I sympathize with any player who invested money and time to develop a HS collection only to have politics or unfair business practices take it all away from them. I would love to see Blizzard offer some kind of fix or workaround so that players who have been impacted do not have to start from scratch on some other server.
Will this conundrum impact U.S. players who play on the Asia server?
I hate to sound callous, but this seems to be a CCP problem.
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Actually a soy boy. Tough it up, Mr.no balls 
Yup, that’s my account, last night got the response from the Game master for my ticket, and they still refuse to provide a in-game refund, it seems to me they just don’t care about our collection at all and until today they still haven’t found a way to let us keep our collection, now I request another way- could them just make the previous pre-order bundle available in the store, at least for the year of hydra, new account missing so much including some diamonds card, I am really out of options about my lost😖
They will never let anyone migrate collections. The barriers were put up to prevent currency losses since they localize prices to purchasing power in different markets.
I also don’t think it is a split shake down for a bigger cut. China only lets in foreign companies until it learns everything it thinks it can. Then it cuts the cord and tries to nuture a national champion. All we have to do is wait for the retaliation strike by the US and other markets that are shut out from China to ban any chinese champion (like tiktok) from their markets.
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Actually I totally agree with you, everyone knows that was a stupid policy and thanks to the last time protests, now they adjust the policy now, that’s the only way to recover the economic market
Thank you for your sympathize, HS did represent my youth time, so I just keep try to said something and hope it works, and it won’t effect Asia service cause we are actually playing call “Chinese” server, so I guess it’s fine in Asia service
CCP or not, firstly we lost account because Blizzard and Net ease stop their cooperation, secondly, Blizzard are totally capable to help us transfer data and keeping the collection, just like characters transfer in Wow, just they don’t want to
The money barrier is existed, but still a pre order bundle cost 488CNY still equal to 80 dollars, so that is not so much purchasing power lose, furthermore, I personally spend countless hours in the game, money can’t ever be recovered again, so I think it’s totally worth the price
Then you are so wrong, Hearthstone I play is because the story background of Warcraft attracts me, Chinese company even wanted to copy ( and some of them did try) there is only trash comes out, because the only the first one created it had their attraction, like TikTok they can always create a replacement, but it never feel as good as the original one
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My real advice is to just give up.
Even if they end up renewing later and reopening the game, it is clear that the CCP has no long term intention to let foreign game makers have access to china. The problem will just be kicked years down the road when the same thing happens again.
Even if you get your account details migrated to another server (which they won’t since this would close off any hope of any future deal), the CCP will at some point close off your access to VPN or similar exceptions.
Your only real hope is to obtain citizenship in another country where you will be free to engage in activities of your choosing.
Thanks for that “give up” advice, first, CCP dont give a damn care what game the player playing, there are billions of player in the region and you are overestimated their ability, it’s the god damn republish department set up those useless law that only allow foreign company cooperate with the local company, this event happen is all because they all want more profit, it’s all about business, and if you dont know, Diablo immortal still alive because Net ease is part of the Developers,so they sign another contact so there is no effect at all, we know that Microsoft is about to acquiring actiBlizzard, the CEO of Blizzard,simply wants more money for it’s own good
I know my solution won’t work for everyone, but first I must take action to migrated my account first, thank you for your concern about the VPN stuff, actually it only require for game play in NA or EU server, but that would be my concern, see if the “CCP” could gain the super power one day and detect everyone and said “Hey you’re not allow to play HS”, also I travel a lot, now that the world is in such chaotic economic，there is no point to talk about immigrant now，but I would tell you that I am free to do if I wanted.
No. Having concentration camps and their human rights abuses in one country is bad enough, they don’t need to go worldwide. It’s bad enough that they’re ignored and even legitimized (see the Olympics earlier this year) by countries and corporations that are supposedly so concerned about these issues. The best thing for everyone is for a massive change in leadership and your regime to be less authoritarian and the countries and businesses that enabled such practices to be held accountable for enabling such tyranny.
If your “concentration camps” means the jail, then country you’re living in also have that place, if you read some social media new and made your judgement, then you’re accusing just so narrow, you know you can always travel to here and see for yourself, instead of wasting time here just try to bring chaos everywhere, just look at Afghanistan, Iran, there’s nothing left but ruins when you try to tear down so call “tyranny” by forces
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The Uyghurs aren’t in “jail,” anymore than the Japanese or the Jews were during WWII. These are concentration camps, are evil, and are a blight on your country and everyone who refuses to denounce them as evil. The fact that your government has been able to carry out genocide largely unopposed for a decade speaks volumes to what the price of what the human conscience and soul is worth.
Especially for self righteous companies, politicians, and celebrities who ordinarily rail against “injustice” but are so quick to walk back any perceived slight against the regime.
First of all, if you accuse the violation of human right about Uyghurs people, please provide authoritative proof and witness, not some social media image and which you believe the accusation from magazine, and you’re welcome to visit the place by yourself, it’s free for travel. Second, there are different types of law in different countries, and the law in America states that the punishment for treason would sentence for death, but listen, my point here is not about arguing which country is better, but read more resources and visit by your self is more important, you might pledge your loyalty to your country with gunfire everywhere, Government are all the same to me, just a tool for rules, and neither of them is pure innocent or justice, I ain’t proud of mine, but nor yours too, my country’s rule ain’t glory, but who can say their is? You make accusations from the internet are useless, if you do cares about Uyghurs people’s, you should be there visit and be a teacher or doctor for local people
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It was 100% legal at the time for the germans and americans to do what was done to the Japanese and Jews during the time before and during WWII…but it doesn’t make it morally right; that’s a poor argument. Just because you can pass a law saying you can put people in concentration camps, or saying you can genocide an entire people group, or any other morally reprehensible act doesn’t mean it is is ok.
It was once legal to leave children of an undesired gender out to die. In some cultures, slavery is still legal. Just because something is “legal” means nothing in terms of whether it is a morally acceptable practice.
Considering the regime has denied access, and even that their genocide of these people is even taking place (much like other butchers in the past have done) you are only encouraging more people to show up and become political prisoners of the regime.
For one thing, I just want to point out that there is unique and special standard in every country, I don’t understand why you skip the topic into struggling about law and morally right, and even compare things in China with things in WWII, Secondly , most of Uyghurs lives well in their land, and we do not wish them harmed cuz the are my countrymen too, please provide further trustworthy resources to see if that truly harm by the local government. You mention history a lot, genocide happen in during that time, that is because Germen and Janpan unite together try to conque the whole world, you serious think when the pearl Harbor were bombed, you still concide your prisoner’s right? sure if you are a noble soider you are so nice could set your prisoner free, and the next thing you are just goint to take a bullet on your head, indeed, America Japanese face unfair and suffer in that time, but make no mistake, their country start it, many of them considered as spy is reasonable, at least, they live, but many soilder in battlefield, even more innocent were slaughter in my country, who is going to say about morally right? the my point is, if you want to apply your modern view in the historical event, please think about the background, it’s completely wrong and there is not so call law in that time, Frankly, speak of morally right, the land you are living in should have return all of it back to the aboriginal people.
Have you ever step outside the door and see China for yourself? I don’t know where is your idea about denied access and being “political prisoners” comes from, but dude, you don’t need anything to travel there, oh, an airplane ticket at least
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concentration camps are concentration camps.
by “your countrymen” do you actually support them as fellow human beings equal in rights and worthy of respect and fair treatment…OR do you share your government’s hot take that they must be forced to abandon their own unique language, culture, religion, etc and forced according to your glorious leader’s 2017 order that “all religions in china should be chinese?” because the former is commendable and the latter is jingoistic and only supports the genocide being carried out on not just the Uyghurs but other groups suffering under the regime.
Pretty sure most of the regime’s supporters would not trade places with them, all rosy picture painting and propaganda reposting notwithstanding.
Literal laws were passed that allowed both the internments of Japenese and the dispossessing and relocation and later extermination of the Jewish people. Hence my comments:
Many morally reprehensible things have been whitewashed or “made legal” by those who perpetrated them throughout history. Legality has no bearing on if those actions are morally justifiable.
non regime propagandists, and people who have escaped the clutches of the regime and endured its cruelties. I get you have to say everything is fine there, the party does nothing wrong, and everything is awesome. I truly do. But real people are being tortured, killed, and far worse while you repost propaganda for one of the worst human rights abusers on the planet.
Ask yourself if that’s worth whatever small comfort you get in return for supporting such evils.
Again, I am asking you should provided trustworthy sources before you make that accusation, all you said is some “people who have escaped” statements, who exactly? dude, if the circumstance are mark as “concentration camp”, do you think it’s possible to run away from it? do your country Jail has no guard, no Gps locate, no cops? and you got the chance to take a flight to the US with your passport? I mean, firstly, choose your word correctly, there is no jewish enter the “concentration camp” and able to escape alive. And again, I do not support the party and anything they did, the thing they did, like building a internet firewall, we knew it and it’s wrong to control speech, and Im not going to said everything is awesome, but make no mistake, that doesn’t mean you can just make any accusation as you like, calling genocide without any proof is just like those social media rumors, did you know how many people went to US every year, and said they face political persecution, in order to gain an America citizenship, im not saying all of them, but some did, but believe whatever you want to believe, I don’t expect everyone to be objective about everything, it’s your freedom to believe what is the true but I believe critical thinking is an essence before making any judgement, just yelling about “overthrow your government is the only path” are useless, it only reveal your Ignorance and arrogance
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This isn’t that hard: if the Uyghurs are the ones we’re discussing in concentration camps…who would be the ones escaping? Certainly not the guards!
I think you really need to brush up on your history. Because Japanese and Jews escaped from the concentration camps they were held in during WWII. Not many, but they did. Also, Jews were liberated from the camps at the end of WWII. I truly pity you and others who have no access or knowledge of history. Or more frightening, deny it altogether.
The Armenian genocide is another stain on the global conscience denied too long because of political convenience. Thankfully, more are starting to acknowledge that it happened, after over a century of silence and complicity in denying it happened and helping the perpetrators cover that atrocity (though who know how long before any measure of justice is attained). I hope the Uyghurs need not wait that long for justice, along with the others victims of the regime.
Interesting how you avoided answering the question:
This isn’t like some random conspiracy theory, or talking about something that has been only been mentioned by one or two people. The camps have been seen by satellite photos from Xinjiang, numerous human rights groups have posted accounts from those who have been violated (I can’t used stronger language here because of coc) by the guards at the camps, forced sterilizations, the suppressed of their language and culture, the brainwashing (“reeducation” according to the regime), torture, forced labor, and numerous other human rights abuses…simply for being a different ethnic group.
These aren’t “prisons” for crimes. These are concentration camps for the genocide of an entire people group.
Quote where I said that. I asked whether supporting your government and reposting their propaganda in this was worth whatever small comfort you get. But that’s a far cry from what you’re talking about.
I still remember what happened in Tiananmen Square when the regime butchered people who were peacefully protesting, and there are many who simply vanished altogether. I am well aware of what happens to those who protest openly. But all oppressive regimes fall, that is a matter of historical fact. Whether it is from internal decay, the people eventually realizing the cost of rising up is less than the degradations they suffer every day, or the regime picked the wrong fight…it is only a matter of time. I hop those who have suffered the most there today live long enough to see it.
If it’s as easy to access these camps as you claim, go there yourself (spend more than a couple hours there). Walk around, talk to these people (not just the ones you are “allowed” to speak to). Listen to their stories, see the conditions they are forced to live under and have been for a decade. I doubt you’ll be so quick to repost propaganda for the regime after you do.
I would definitely go there someday, it’s such a beautiful place to visit, and see with my own eyes, and make no mistake, I never repost propaganda for the regime, you seems to misunderstand that
Listen, I never reposting their propaganda, I just telling the thing I saw in the place we live, the Tiananmen Square is the most tragic event, because it did happen with proof, I’m highlighting your accusation should have their resources from as well, by the way, I hope that the CCP dismisses some day, but definitely don’t need American missile and aircraft carrier, it only proves more excuses for them, the more you challenged, you only making people feel like you are the threat, you have to accept the point the revolution can only be Chinese people matter, and we still have a long way to go until we get to that stage, citizens quality，education are the necessary foundations, until that day there would comes the people revolution
Again, please provide your link to your resources otherwise if would consider as conspiracy, you mentioned that satellite photos, sure you can always found a huge building, but how do you figure out what is happening inside? and where is your proof, please share your link along with your statement, and if you agree it’s call “reeducation camp ” then your accusation of concentration camps would be false, but if you state the suppressed of their language and culture, the brainwashing, well I don’t think the German government were try to spending time to “suppressed Jewish culture and language” Cuz they just want them dead, if CCP try to murder them, they would spend time to build the camp, in fact, from what I know and hear, your statement would more than the Canada boarding school, all I’m saying it, historically and even now, violations of human rights happened in the past and now, but your statement needs proof and link prove, I can tell the forced sterilizations happen at the 60’s as well(the same thing happened in State of Indiana too), and the fact that Great Leap Forward has caused millions death, but the difference is it’s acknowledging with witnesses and people were told, but can you provide truth worth “escape Uyghurs” words, and can you guarantee what they tell are all true? Certainly you believe it, but you should also know that, in the last decade, Xinjiang happened multiple events of suicide bomb attacks and knife holdings attacked in the train station? Sometimes it got sensitive in security event, but if it violated human rights, than shared your link below, I am sure such clever gentleman like you know more about it
and so on. Open your eyes.
Also, you keep dodging the question:
and the mass imprisonment of the Uyghurs in camps for the alleged actions of some YEARS ago, is justified. Just like the us did to the Japanese because they suspected they were spies and saboteurs, and what was done to Jews during WWII. Any oppressive regime can TRY to justify concentration camps, but that rationale doesn’t hold up.
ht tps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
is a fairly tame link that provides access to more resources providing background and sources on the atrocities the Uyghurs have endured at the hands of the regime.