How can you counter C’thun? If C’thun was buffed like 40/40 (which wasnt that hard) then throwing C’thun was game over.
Said the 1 post guy…
Many people called C’thun broken. Lets not forget that cthun came in an era that tempo game was reallyyyyy important and controll tools were just a few. Therefore a 2 mana 2/3 or a 3 mana 3/4 minions that buffed C’thun were actually OP. As for twin emperor LOL that was a really strong card.
Did C’thun took over the meta? No, of course not. Everyone was playing C’thun during the first days but after that the deck got surpassed easily.
I too, am of the opinion that Shaman is busted and will remain so but…
As i am not ignoring overpowered decks have shined from day one in the past , i am also not forgetting countless decks that had similar winrates on launch in the past but turned out to be situational based on an unsolved and unstable meta.
As confident as i am that Shaman is gonna be absolutely dominant i always er on the side of caution with screaming OP at day 1 or 2 of an expansion and you should too.
I d give it 2 weeks ( at least 1 for starters) and you the chances is that you will still be right but waiting is still the responsible thing to do.
You might have not frequent in forums in those glory days but lemme tell ya…
It was absolutely smothered by cthun complains day 1 and two and in 1 to 2 weeks time the only players that kept playing cthun were the ones that couldnt afford the good decks
It’s not necessarily the galakrond package being to strong that makes shaman so good right now, just that it slots well into an already good deck from the last meta without needing to refine and beating everyone out
If I’m arguing that 2 5/6’s with taunt for 5 mana isn’t to strong, then you are arguing that a 4 mana 5/4 draw 3 and 3 mana for 3 3/2 rushers are weak.
This thread is about shaman. I pointed out one card that’s too strong. You pointed out the other invoke cards are also strong. Even though this thread is about shaman.
I pointed out that the other invoke cards aren’t as much of a problem because of the power level of current Shaman. But that’s a strawman somehow.
You then pointed out that it’s not necessarily the Galk package. Even though the deck is 1/3 galk cards with high value.
And I don’t know what you’re arguing. If you get rid of the Galk package then the deck is not nearly as strong. I don’t see how there’s any argument there.
The 70% winrate was from 3,500 games; for a new deck (it was day 2 …) that’s quite normal; it’s what you’d see from Wild builds winrate with lower data in general.
It’s day 3 now and Winrate is 66% and no longer 70%; it’s bound to start decreasing as the format evolves; give it 1-2 weeks at best; its power turn plays are getting clearer (being the 5 Mana Invoke related spell, the 5 Mana Invoker, Galakrond itself and Shudderwock) and abit more predictable.
That said, if it won’t get any lower than 60% in 1-2 weeks then yeah, the powerplays could use some tuning.
You said that Dragons Pack was to powerful as an invoke synergy card. I presented 2 other just as powerful invoke synergy cards and stated that dragons pack is about on par with them. The 2 I listed are in no way, shape or form broken, so why would a just as strong card be the reason for breaking a deck?
I was keeping on topic to a thread about shaman by contrasting as to what makes shaman good lol.
Uh, no lol. You asked if the other invoke cards were as impactful to their respective classes as shamans were to them, to which I said yes and provided examples. You then replied with “BuT dO tHoSe DeCkS wIn As MuCh”, straw manning the conversation towards winrate when we were comparing card power level, but nonetheless I went to move to my point of “If shamans invoke cards are just as powerful as everyone else’s, but they are still on top, maybe something else is to blame?”, which you completely ignored and continued to misquote me.
And no, that doesn’t mean I’m trying to say shamans galakrond cards are bad or that they make the deck worse, just they aren’t the sole reason shaman is so amazing right now.
That I did, but you then completly misquoted that and are doing it again lmao.
What makes shaman so good isn’t necessarily it’s invoke cards and galakrond, but how easily it slots in to an already figured out meta deck from the last expansion meaning it skipped its refinement phase and jumped ahead of the other classes who are still figuring their decks out.
If you honestly think thats what I’m saying then you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension man.
Because it’s part of a whole package not just the one card. Doesn’t mean the 1 card isn’t broken stat wise.
I don’t agree. If you took out the Galk package and put back in the decks from the meta before evolve I’m willing to bet the strength is no where near on par with current Galk shaman.
Obviously different cards different meta. But Dragon Pack is actually on par if not better than Mogu Mutate, and that can be put in along with it.