Rigged match making system

Don’t take this as me dismissing your suspicions. But do you have any evidence, aside from personal anecdote, that matchmaking is rigged (statistics, for example)? If not you should really look into it so people don’t simply brush your thinking off as confirmation bias, ya know?

I’m not taking it personal. It’s the nature of the internet that people are jerks to each other, which I’m no exception to. I still get 2-5 min ques followed to matching a bad deck for mine, in the most populated rating braket. Other than that, no, but them again, can you really find statistic of that, outside personal anecdotes, besides the patern Activision did back in a few years for matchmaking algorithm?

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I don’t know, I was thinking resources that track matches or something. I would think there you’d be able to find these patterns. In fact I’m surprised no one else has by now.

So if someone were to grind out diamond each month, that would take a fair amount of skill. If they used a decent deck to get there, then spent the rest of the month playing meme decks, they might lost often and badly. As such, matching them up with a ranked deck at that level AND maintaining about a 50% win rate would be HARD for the algorithm to do. As such, que time would grow. Several wins with a conventional deck would bring about normal queue times.

Repeated trials of this phenomena would likely show a pattern of searching for easier matches during losing streaks?

There are assumptions involved, but it’s an idea. Idk.

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That reads as a very reasonable thought. :thinking:

What IF they aren’t matching us against our counter but SURPRESSING our counter by FEEDING us our more favourable match ups first!!! Dun dun dun… (mysterious music) Once our pity streak is over they release the class most likely to be using our counter and BOOM! To the forums we go!

I like these threads. They are a good time to be had.

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A bait and switch! Blizzard can be so vindictive. Perhaps, the developers gain personal satisfaction in torturing us this way. These guys have it out for us…

But Hell, I’m still gonna play! :rofl:

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Fixed it. That’s the only reason I play this ‘rigged’ game. Because they care enough to feed me win streaks when I’m playing horribly :slight_smile:

Glass half full ya know

In seriousness, do you personally believe the matchmaking in this game is ‘rigged’ in the way others here suggest?

No, MMR is rigging by my accepted definition but I don’t agree that there is anything deeper for the matching going on. Could there be? Sure. But it doesn’t need it.

As for draw rates. That’s something a little different for me. But again nothing game breaking lol. I’m good with whatever it does to do whatever it needs to do. So long as it’s done to everyone equally then why would it matter? But that’s just me.

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It’s always a breath of fresh air to find someone here that’s reasonable. It’s similar to the draw rates at times! :grin: Not to discriminate but many people here are seemingly incapable of holding a calm and reasonable discussion without getting aggressive and angry.

To be fair. Some of those that claim “calm and reasonable” as their demeanour tend to be quite aggressive and angrier than the ones making the claims.

Have a good one :slight_smile:

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So; now I’m curious. If i play next month to Legend, which will make five consecutive months, and my last match up at Diamond One is Bomb Warrior again, will that still be considered an amusing coincidence?
I mean; it’s already happened four times in four months and that was discounted, so I’m interested to know what the threshold needs to be for someone else on here to consider the idea that maybe there is more to the matching than meets the eye.
Again; I don’t believe the system is unfair. I just question if it is as random as some others think it is.

You may be justified in thinking that considering your experience thus far. Do realize that it is possible you’re having bad luck, however. A coin toss can land on heads five times in a row, for example. This doesn’t mean the coin is loaded.

This is not to dismiss your experience. Although, the issue is trying to convince others of your theory. Do not expect everyone to take your anecdote and infer that the game is rigged. People are skeptical, and rightfully so. I hate to parrot this point: We need hard evidence, namely data in the form of a statistical pattern that can be presented to the community.

Wouldn’t you agree?

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I do agree. I am a firm believer in facts and only that which can be proven repeatedly to the point that there is no question. And; I too, do find the occurrence amusing:)

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I am not suggesting it is rigged in the sense that people who buy packs win more, which is a conspiracy theory floated frequently.

I agree with you that MMR is by definition rigging of sorts. I also agree that I accept it as what it is and fair.

But that “is there anything deeper” part has to be reconciled with the blizzard stated goal of 50% wins being fair. There is no evidence as of yet that this rate is forced on players, but there is also very little hard data to glean this information from.

I take blizzard at their word on it, for sure, until evidence of the contrary is presented; however, nothing about that assumption precludes continued search for evidence.

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Therein lies the difference between you and many others here. Around here people are very conspiratorial and distrustful, namely in regard to Blizzard. It’s almost that the company is regarded as nefarious and always conniving out of pure greed. And it is very true that Blizzard’s number one goal is to make money.

So, you can kind of see how people are thinking.

The problem is that it won’t matter, because if you DON’T get matched with a bomb warrior, you could still be inclined to think the system tries to match you with your counter at the last match, being that it happened 4 times in a row already. And, this time it could be that a small % thing happened and you didn’t get bomb warrior. Or it could be that all those 4 times were coincidence, but this 5th time won’t confirm anything, I believe.

Also, if it IS bomb warrior again for the 5th time in a row, it doesn’t matter because the past history doesn’t influence the odds (assuming the odds and the match making system were working the same all 5 times.) For example, in roulette if red has come up 5 times in a row, it doesn’t mean black has a higher chance of being rolled. If you forget the past history, the odds of black or red are equal.

I’ll admit this is a little more complicated, being that there are more deck options to be matched up against than 2, like the roulette example. So I really don’t know, but I don’t think it will confirm any suspicions.

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Please, read this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

It may feel like Brandiddley is dismissing you. But this is truly how the human brain works. We remember the hits, we forget the misses. It is very easy for us to unknowingly bias our perception.

Also, if dozens of millions of people play this game, some are bound to have an amusing streak of bad (or good) luck, and then think the game is rigged against themselves, it is just statistics. If you coin flip 20 times in a row, there is approximately a one in million chance all of them show tails. If one million people does so, one of them probably will flip tails 20 times in a row, and may think the coin is rigged. If you gave infinite monkeys tipewriters and lots of time, one of them will rewrite Shakespeare’s works, and we them may think we have a genius monkey.

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