It’s an age old debate with both sides having validity to their argument.If you played hearthstone long enough ,certain" “rng” seems predictable .Having not faced a weapon class for 15 games and changing your weapon removal due to inactivity and your next match is warrior/hunter some would argue.Reno was initially really good at helpful spells at his inception ,now it’s about 50%.Is it due to card complaints or coincidence ? Unless you play a class extensively "which most players alternate classes and enjoy “op” decks to ladder climb,it’s hard to validate/ debate that opinion.Or is it a actual algorithm like zephrys "designed to enhance player experience ?The real debate is if this is frustrating enough to quit or exhilarating enough to enjoy?
Agreed.
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Never really heard the validity of the “game is rigged” argument. It’s a minority opinion for which there is no concrete evidence (despite literal millions of recorded games available to the public and despite the claim that it’s “obvious” to the naked eye). Add to this the fact that humans are terrible at eyeballing things like probability, love to find patterns when there are none, and are thrilled to establish scapegoats for their losses, and it becomes increasingly apparent that there isn’t much to be concerned about.
Source?
Rigged.
Take a deck of 52 physical cards and trim it down to 30. Now mark those cards with the net decks you see.
Try to repeat the “common” appearance of legendaries etc you see on a REGULAR basis every single game.
If it isn’t rigged. Why doesn’t Blizzard release how often each card appears on turn X on the games played. Oh, thats right, because you would see A LOT of power cards always in the first half of the deck and not at the end or with equal odds. I am talking about those 1/30 cards for the most part.
They don’t provide these in-game stats for the same reason they haven’t constructed a comprehensive UI/deck tracker/etc, in that any information players might want is already provided by a third party. No reason to dedicate time and resources to implement this feature when all information critical to gameplay is provided by someone else.
Actually, third party sources are largely confined to those data contributing players.
Also, such data would be fun and make this game less stale. I feel that the game doesn’t need a lot of new cards to spice things up, simple stats like these would help inject some fun and ohhs into the game.
“ooh, (insert class) is actually strong by using xxx, xxx and xxx cards! And this was not widely publicised in net decks. How interesting this sounds! I’m gonna try it out!”
I’ve been saying this since the lich king expansion.
There’s some sort of card weight system applied when it comes to drawing stuff.
Back then, I noticed that on my FLJ deck, I only had 1 big minion, which was Sindragosa. A pretty dead card until you have FLJ online. Guess what? Every other game, this card would end up in my hand before 5 turns, more often than not would end in my hand right after I mulligan’d it back to my deck, while FLJ many many times always resting at the bottom of the deck.
Same process applied to dr. boom. Card always loved to stay at the bottom of the deck. Unlike elysiana, which would more frequent than not be in my hand before turn 5 - a dead card for the entire game. Played many, many games with that and it would be pretty damn rare to get to have that in hand before turn 8, all of that on a deck that had a solid draw system - acolyte, shield blocks and slams, rush draw minions, etc.
Then, this expansion. I play a shaman deck. I only have 2 minions that cost above 5 mana - dragonqueen alex and elysiana. Both cards are pretty much useless on hand before turn 9, but at least one of them, if not both, will be GUARANTEED to be in my hand before turn 5 every. single. game. I played 20 games yesterday, there wasn’t a single match where one of them weren’t drawn before turn 5. I know the odds aren’t that astronomically high for that to be a common occurrence. Just play enough with a single deck without many changes for a given period and you will notice certain patterns repeating themselves more and more.
Like I said before, the game is rigged, period. I know fanboys will hate, but if you truly believe we have untainted RNG governing this game you’re a fool.
My theories are that card draw is not just a simple rng 1-30 assigned after mulligan to determine card order. I also believe that if you play a certain class you tend to get placed in a pool with a set number of specific opposition classes. Card draw also favors “power” plays with miracle unskilled get out of jail swings. Lastly I would say they have been kind to demon hunters as their curve luck on any deck composition is beyond random chance…and I say this having played it myself.
Obviously rigged. I made decent money thanks to that.
This discussion is gonna go nowhere as both believers and non-believers are deluded af. They are both wrong however.
So do you have literally anything besides anecdotal evidence to back up your claim? If not, then I’d like to cite the thousands of games I’ve played since starting (mind you, these are games in which nothing suspicious happened) as equal and opposite evidence that the game is in fact not rigged.
Demon Hunters don’t need rigged draws to have a great curve. If you take a look at the most popular Tempo Demon Hunter deck:
Seventeen of the cards in the deck cost three or less. It’s hard not to curve out when you’re inherently likely to curve out.
Funny you mention that, because I made decent money thanks to the fact that the game is obviously not rigged.
Care to expand on that?
There are also chats and lounges on the Battle.net client, but isn’t Discord better for that anyways? We are here in the official forums, but isn’t that handled way better by Reddit anyways? Nevertheless both those things still exist even though there are better third party alternatives to them. Or do you think this is not a good comparison?
And for that matter did they ever explicited stated that those deck trackers are not against the TOS? Of course it’s silly to assume they would ban someone for using that as most streamers use it and I don’t think it’s because of their status. But still. Did they? (I still wouldn’t use them just because it’s too annoying for me but would be interested to hear if they ever addressed this publically.)
I mostly hope that they eventually implement better social features like “guilds”. You know lobbies where you can meet with other people just like in Discord. But, oh-oh… a third-party service that already does everything better. No point in investing into something like that. Maybe you’re right. I still hope we get something like that in-game though. Because many might not even know of something like Discord. (I didn’t for the longest time.) (And the same might also apply to someting like deck trackers for that matter. People might not know about that. It would be at least more convenient to have it already in-game.)
It’s definitely a fair comparison, but I should point out that even though these features exist for Blizzard games, the company rarely puts any effort into developing them or giving players incentives to use them (for example, unless I missed something the FAQ today on Reddit was never even mentioned on here by staff). If the official forums are nothing but a formality, why would the devs go out of their way to implement features in their game that are doomed to be the worst of several alternatives anyways?
I honestly have no idea. Haven’t used them myself so I can’t comment either way.
I’d certainly enjoy a feature like that too. Unfortunately risk/reward is a real thing, and if a feature isn’t going to attract enough players then there isn’t much point in investing resources into it. They’re much more likely to create something that can’t be emulated by other platforms (e.g. different game modes).
Brother, I saw Togwaggle on turn 6 so many times… saw Rotnest Drake on turn 5 so many times… boring, predictable and COMPLETELY RANDOM… “Hello, fellow humans, hahaha!” Turn 5… anyway, be well, fren.
The forum asks for data… calls it a “minority” complaint when it’s brought up daily… =D
Yah, brought up daily by a minority. Go to a much more popular site like Reddit and you’ll find that topics on the supposed “rigging” of the game are very rare and never taken seriously.
Yeah, but don’t waste your breath getting through the morons saying “it’s anectodal evidence” like they always do.
Because reddit is for brown nosers and anything that goes against the rhethoric is promptly buried under the flood of useless trash posts if not downright removed.
The draw is fishy enough said, and I can bring proof of it. Not sure rigged is the right word but things aint normal in the draw 
, funny i can predict 90% of what players gonna do, and when u change deck u meet counters, happens everytime…
Because it is anecdotal evidence.
LMAO. Reddit is nothing if not critical of the game. If there were any legitimacy to the claim that the game is rigged then I’m sure people would jump on it.
If you can predict 90% of people’s plays then you should sign up to be a grandmaster. Even pro players admit that they can’t predict every play, only which plays would have the most impact at a given moment.
Like users above said, it is anecdotal evidence, and anecdotal evidence is worse than trash when trying to scientifically demonstrate that something exists.