Hey Blizzard, I get that you think the change to N’Zoth is a buff, but the change to it’s mana cost makes it worse for the main reason I used and the only reason I crafted it, which is to corrupt carnival clown. I spent 1600 dust on this card and I think it would be great if you could make it refund full dust value now that you’ve changed it.
I know you give full dust refunds for nerfed cards and I think that’s very generous and great. But just because this change supposedly makes the card stronger doesn’t change the fact that it’s now worse for me than it was before. Exactly the same as if you had nerfed it instead of buffing it. I would really appreciate it if you could give full refunds for cards that you “buff” as well as cards you nerf.
Thanks for your consideration. Have a great day.
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Buffed cards don’t get dust refunds. It’s in the EULA
I also think this buff(disguise nerf) is bad. Nzoth was used to corrupt clowns, it is weird that this is the only God to 9 mana. On the priest build you need to draw and play the corrupt legendary before nzoth(it was easier to tutor nzoth) and getting the other legendary 1st is not always the case…
I guess they “Blizz” just saw the use of a full corrupt package, when a mix of corrupt and nzoth package has always been better in any build. The 5 mana legendary is a terrible “keep and play” specially if you are too far behind and if you don’t keep it you might not be able to find it again(no way to tutor) is harder.
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yeah, big disappoint on that one, hey. I don’t see how its a buff, it still can’t combo unless we want to see a rogue nzoth spam meta. it might be a hard push for xanesh to get more play, which still likely wont happen to a card with such garbage stats.
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It’s actually a nerf! To prevent the boardfull of clowns, to only play them again. Batman won this round.
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If anybody can explain how this made the card better in any constructive manner, I’d like to hear it.
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I think the best case you can make is that at nine mana now you can get it out one turn earlier, but the problem with that is that N’Zoth is rarely ready to go by turn nine since you need to kill off like four different minions of different tribes before you want to use it. 
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I have been playing menagerie clown warrior deck, where I used N’Zoth to corrupt the Carnival Clown, and Taelan Fordring to consistently pull N’Zoth. Now this “buff” out of no where completely kills my deck, and I can’t even get any dust refund. The deck I am using is off meta, hence I don’t expect my deck to get nerfed at all. This “buff” does not make sense in flavour as well, since all the old gods are at 10 mana. This is really a weird choice of a “buff”.
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Yep, menagerie clown decks worked okay for a lot of different classes. I had a version I played around with on warlock, paladin, demon hunter, and priest. Now I have to remake all of them into either straight menagerie decks and get rid of the clowns or make them into straight clown decks and remove the menagerie package. It really sucks.
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Did blizz say it was a buff? I think the “green” effect in game is to signify a mana cost reduction bc it thinks it is a buff. But in actuality is a nerf.
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Yes, the most powerful swing turn I have had with N’Zoth was when it brought back Darkmoon Rabbit, which is at 10 mana anyway…
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“you can play with broomstick” sure, if you didn’t stack the field with 7 minions already (which is the whole point on N’Zoth).
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“you can play on curve”
Sure, because that’s enough time to play a variety of tribes AND draw N’Zoth
Nzoth builds have been running clowns for the longest time, it provided pressure and hard pressure turn after turn after nzoth was played, now i have to run broom and is going to be somehow better? I fail to see that. We either stick to nzoth or to corrupt but not both. This is in no way a buff. I mean tons of ppl play C’thun but how many are winning games with it(no buff here). I think the data showed how nzoth builds were made and they(Blizz) decided to leave those clowns out in order to promote full corrupted priest builds which may or may not work as the 5 mana legendary is really slow…
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Menagerie Clown bulits are not even that strong right now, and it does not make sense to nerf them. I get it that Blizzard might want to nerf something that feels bad to go against, even though the win rate is not high. Multiple rounds of full board Clowns can definitely feel bad to go against, but there are cards that are even worse (e.g. Tickatus) that are not getting nerf. Also, it is really bad for Blizzard to stealth nerf an archetype and call it a “buff”.
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I would also like to have the chance to decide if a change it’s a buff or a nerf, but the “Willow buff” situation proved that they won’t give a refund.
Unless in this case there will be more people concerned about the changing
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Stealth nerf and call it a buff as you said is real bad, but devs have all the data and I would not be surprise. These devs are the “masterminds” and giving free dust is not within their economy model.
If they wanted to buff old gods I mentioned C’thun, how about new Yogg as well. Nzoth buff is very “weird” nobody ask or thought 4 this one B4 today.
The only point I disagree is on Tick(no nerfs needed here) and I’m glad Blizz did not succumb to the crowd feels bad theme. People in the past complain abt st rez priest and it never got nerf 4 a reason(whatever it was; I also ended up hating the archetype till today in wild)
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Agree that there is no need to nerf Tickatus. Just saying that if Clown was stealth nerfed just for “feel bad” factor, there are other cards that have the same problem.
I agree. No one asked for them to buff this card. It’s not like it’s not played, like Guff, Plaguemaw and Tarvish. The buff to deck of Chaos is a move in the right direction though still not enough. I dont have that card, but i think it’s underplayed, so we might see some interesting decks built around this now.
I do not have Nzoth. But I feel OP. The reasons for crafting Nzoth is now gone, and he wasted the dust. I think he should get a refund (I know it’s not in EULA or whatever), but it’s more from goodwill perspective.
Edit: I played other electronic TCGs before similar to Hs. When they buff or nerfed cards they always gave reasons. Did Blizz explain why they “buffed” this card?
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