Plagues are not shuffled randomly

The patent was for many things, for someone who thinks someone like me just learned what an algorithm is and doesn’t know what I’m talking about, I think maybe you need to go back and inform yourself properly before improperly calling others out

I did some playing around after using a 12% win rate deck for a while. I’m F2P. Plagues were still getting shuffled at/near the top of the opponent’s deck sometimes.

So I guess it is a quantum algorithm because when you test it, they appear to get shuffled randomly, compared to when you’re not testing and it’s forced. There are patents for quantum computers and the force.

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HS should be a case study of confirmation bias.

Chalk full of conspiracy theorists who have no idea why their logic is flawed but insist they are correct because of their personal experiences.

It’s like the Mandela Effect people who refuse to accept their memory is wrong and that Shazaam with Sinbad never was a real movie and it has to be true because “millions of others experience the same!” mentality.

Human memory is so flawed and bad and convincing someone their memory is bad is near impossible.

People just can’t handle it. And they will go down swinging insisting they are right despite all the data and testing proving they are wrong.

It’s sad really.

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That’s it. cognitive bias at their finest: you have reality clashing with your firmly held belief so you can adjust your beliefs… but most people find it too difficult so they adjust reality to their believes.

It is of course only exacerbated by the lack of understanding of statistics, conspiracy brain and all around bad logical reasoning.

And so we have chem trails, anti-vaxxers, QAnon… and the worst of them, HS truthers :stuck_out_tongue:

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That sure is a bunch of nonsense to say to someone who said they are moving on to data collection to test the hypothesis. I also do not think it is malicious if it turns out it does not do a good job randomizing. Mistakes and issues in coding happen all the time. We literally just had a worldwide outage on computers because of it. Stuff happens.

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I genuinely feel bad for people like this. I can’t imagine what life must be like to always be thinking everything is a set up or controlled and that random events don’t occur. Watching a friend go through this is exhausting.

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World is complicated and becomes even more complicated with every minute. There is no way an avarage person can understand all of it: medicine, AI, complicated technology, AI, human psychology as it relates to economics. But what if I told you there is something that can explain it in a one sentence? Oh, then everything makes sense.

And that’s conspiracy theories. We used to explain the Unknown with God but we still need those comforting simple explanations. And there are people who are quick to provide those for their own benefits.

Yeah, I think everyone has someone in their family and/or friends’ circle that has those beliefs.

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Pseudo-randomness created by a computer is largely good enough. You personally can not predict it.

Through tons of data mining and outside tools you can sometimes get predictions (like how people manipulate the RNG of Pokemon games once they found out that the RNG is updated per frame), but it’s easy enough for blizzard to adjust things slightly and make all of that work useless if ever anyone did figure it out.

And there’s no such thing as the game “wanting” you to lose. That’s just the talk of bad players looking to blame the game. Yes, sometimes you will draw in an unwinnable order. That’s not being driven by anything.

“But it’s not technically purely random!” Doesn’t negate that it is definitely random enough. It only needs to be random enough to be unpredictable by the users, which it is. It doesn’t need to be unpredictable to a theoretical machine that knows all of the variables the random number generator is running on.

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I’m sorry but you completely missed the (my) point and wasted your time talking about unrelelated processes to what I was referring to. It’s all good and you’re not wrong, it’s just unrelated to what I wrote so idk why you quoted me.

why dont you do it ?you claim to be able to predict it

so do it

Way ahead of you, I do

With the ability after the new set drops to shuffle in unlimited plagues. It might not matter anymore and it could actually become a meta player if the right deck is found. The trick will be surviving all the absurd fast games and OTK’s.

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You are propably a troll or you have no idea what I was talking about.

Sludge lock can play:
Rare · Minion · Showdown in the Badlands · Rush. Whenever this takes damage, get a Barrel of Sludge and add one to the bottom of your deck.
Common · Minion · Showdown in the Badlands · Battlecry and Deathrattle: Put a Barrel of Sludge on the bottom of your deck.
Common · Spell · Showdown in the Badlands · Deal 5 damage. Summon a random 5-Cost minion. Destroy the bottom 5 cards of your deck.

When you shuffle plague into enemy deck not only plague is shuffled but whole deck is shuffled so its effectively disturb this combo.

Whenever a plague is shuffled into a deck, the whole deck reshuffles, its by HS design. It disrupts warlock sludges, and any kind of top deck / bottom deck manipulating.
The order of cards that are drawn after is another story though :wink:

Pretty sure noone on the forum combined has as many games on sludgelock as I do.

It’s very annoying to play it against the plagues precisely because they shuffle your sludges - however, not always. When plagues get shuffled, it’s not true that your entire deck gets shuffled - the plagues are inserted in a random place in your deck in a similar way you would do it if you played the game physically - you take one plague and you insert it in a deck randomly and then you repeat it for each plague.

So the results of the shuffling are one of the two:

  1. the plagues don’t touch your sludges, so you can spend them, or
  2. the plagues did touch your sludges, but that means they’re on the bottom of the deck, hence, not dangerous.

Since both scenarios are better for Warlock player than for DK player, your bias is understandable. There comes a time you simply need to accept that plague DK is a terrible deck.

I was right. The distribution is not random. Every single game I have played today where I have shuffled 15+ plagues into deck has resulted in 1-10% results. There is a very serious clumping problem that happens when you get to a critical mass of plagues.

Wow, and you discovered that on a representative sample of what? 20 games. You have no idea how statistics works.

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It’s almost certain that all of your card draws today have been significantly less than a 1% chance.

Just raise a bug report. Talking here does nothing.

No, they definitely fully always shuffle your sludges. Played a ton of plague DK while sludge lock was popular, and every time they got rid of the sludge stack on the bottom.

They also ruin dredge.

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Clumping is a natural result of plagues. The more plagues you have in the deck, the more likely they are to clump together.

Let’s look at a 5 card deck with cards labeled 1 to 5

. - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 -

The first plague has 6 positions it could go. Let’s say it lands between 3 and 4.

. - 1 - 2 - 3 - P - 4 - 5 -

Now you shuffle another plague. It reshuffles everything, but it’s not going to impact how many positions would be next to a plague. Now 2/7 positions are next to a plague. Let’s say this one landed between 2 and 3

. - 1 - 2 - P - 3 - P - 4 - 5 -

For the next plague 4/8 of the positions (or 1/2) are next to a plague, and there are only 2 of them in the deck of 5 cards.

Plagues are statistically likely to clump up when randomly placed in a deck.

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