Sorry, but I know for a fact this is not true. You know how much sludgelock I played and how successful I was on it, do you really think I could do that being wrong about this?
I’ve played just as much plague DK to know that it for sure shuffles the deck every time one goes in there. (Most of my 1k DK wins were with plague DK)
It’s not even slightly in question.
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From your perspective it’s harder to see what happens. When you play sludgelock with a tracker, you can clearly see the proof. Most times when only 1 or 2 plagues are shuffled, your sludges are still on the bottom and you can safely play sludge spender card.
So that’s less than 1000 wins on plague DK, in dumpster legend. For comparison, I have over 2k wins on sludgelock in top 200-500 legend across 3 servers
You’re right - it’s not.
This is entirely irrelevant to how the shuffle mechanics work.
I’m happy to play controlled games with you to show that I’m right here.
I’ve never seen a stack of sludges persist on the bottom of the deck after shuffling a single plague.
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I just don’t see a reason to. It’s not my problem you believe in something which is wrong, it’s yours.
Well, I have, more often than not.
Prove it, please.
Because it is entirely contrary to how I beat the deck as plague DK, which was saving plague generators for after they put plagues on the bottom, which never allowed their deck deletion cards to be at full power.
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If you really need proof, go play sludgelock yourself.
And that’s why you’re not top 200 (among other reasons). You do that against me and I’ll just kill you before turn 6
This isn’t a rank argument man.
I’m entirely willing to be wrong here, but I’m not just going to say “oh, you are right because you are in the top ranks!”
You are making a claim that goes against all evidence I have ever witnessed regarding the shuffle mechanics, and aren’t using evidence as your argument, just “trust me, I’m an expert.”
That’s not how this works.
Plagues definitely shuffle the deck. Every time. This is easily observable both with dredge and sludge placing cards in specific places and plagues changing that.
Your claim is, without evidence, that most of the time plagues don’t do this.
I’ve been in the top 100 before. I don’t continuously strive to be there.
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This works both ways, you know. You’re also bringing only your own experience as a proof for your side of the argument. And if it’s going to be your word against mine, then pulling ranks and experience on the deck should be relevant for the argument 
Hence why I said I’d happily play a controlled game against you where you place a few sludge on the bottom of the deck, I shuffle a plague in, then you delete your deck bottom cards.
Well, I wouldn’t. I play less than 6 hours per week now that I’ve got a job, so I’d rather not waste them on proving someone stubborn something I already know.
I’m more than happy to leave this argument as it is and everyone can just form their own conclusion as they want.
For what it’s worth, hearthstone wiki says shuffle mechanics shuffle the whole deck.
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They do, and they do it every time, not just some of the time.
There’s so much evidence of this happening I have no idea where or how Altair got the idea it doesn’t.
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Maybe he was lucky and after reshuffling his deck, he end with sludges at bottom of deck.
Shuffle work this way before DK was introduced.
Maybe Helya effect, its wording says plagues are unending and Im not sure if drawn plagues under Helya effect are simply returned to deck or shuffle deck again.
I have not been in Legend ranks for a couple of years, but I have read the book legend by David Gemmel and I still make mistakes now and then.
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But he shouldn’t have seen any level of consistency in those stacks staying on the bottom. Occasionally you’ll get lucky and one will still be there, but almost never a full stack.
I think even the Helya effect reshuffles, but I’ll admit that I’m less sure about that one.
The plague generators 100% do shuffle the deck. It’s one of the very few strengths plague DK has.
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Yes, except he wants you to prove him wrong and you are resorting to arguments ex catedra: mate of course that I am right, just look at my rank.
It’s silly and only undermines your argument.
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Oooh, Druss the Legend… great book.
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This is their answer to everything. They will tell you the data is wrong when it contradicts their personal anecdote. It’s not worth the trouble.
Just let them be wrong and move on.
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