People complain about everything. IE If they lose to an F tier deck, they complain that it’s the most broken deck in the history of Hearthstone.
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Exactly what i been saying in a nut shell just like when i was arguing over a year ago when everyone screamed for hunter to be nerfed when it was not over performing at all.
Months went by, and Blizzard finally nerfed it to shut up the community. Then it went in the dumpster for the rest of the expansion and mini-set at the time.
The answer was to buff a few classes that were underperforming, not Nerf, a class that had an average .5% win rate overall. But people took data from low-ranked play, averaged it into skilled play, and used that data to argue their point.
These forms in a nutshell even some top HS players:
I lost to class x. It can’t be me. It can’t be. I don’t need to play a different deck or look at my own skill, tactics, or approach vs the opposing deck. Its gotta be the other persons class/deck was OP!@! Cmmon guys let’s get the pitchforks and riot till Blizzard does something!!
I have watched too many good metas get axed over the years because players simply refuse to get better, learn to swap decks or cards, and look at themselves other than gripe on these forms and raise heck till Blizard does a necessary Nerf and nukes a class and destroys the meta.
Many many times the meta was already correcting itself and the classes win rate was in line with the rest. Blizzard would drop a nerf bomb on a class and destroy the game and the meta. This resulted in the solitare like game we had for a few years. This game is finaly on its way up and FUN again and I dont want to see the good progess wasted.
I find hearthstone to be more one dimensional and boring than it has in a long time. The game has become too simple for its own good.
Too much cheap removal, which is needed because its too easy to flood the board, which actually doesnt really matter because its too easy to do 40 damage from hand which is pointless because your opponent will mana cheat it out before you.
Just wanted to add that sadly not everyone have all the cards to swap decks, but i agree, sometimes they nerf too early and ppl dont try any new variation of a deck
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And then you criticize me for wanting to balance the game around top players instead of the hardstuck diamonds
That’s what happens when you expect people to just learn and adapt
This isn’t real life, people aren’t motivated to learn and adapt, they just wanna have fun
So forget about it, the playerbase is NOT learning and adapting. Top legend players, however, are, so the game should be balanced around them, lest you lose the only hardcore, loyal, learning and adaptive part of your playerbase because you’re making strong classes broken or weak classes weaker because someone’s 40 year old dad who’s playing on work doesn’t know how to properly pilot them or play against them.
There have always been decks which were only used in top legend because lower ranks couldn’t pilot them properly. That’s great, if there exist noobstomping decks which only work in lower ranks, but lose in top legend because easy counterplay exists. Examples include last iteration of token hunter from the last 2 expansions and a Garden of Grace Pally from last rotation for noobstomping, and Nature Shaman and Naga Shopper DH for top legend decks.
That’s what we need for the true balance of the game.
If those two types of decks do not exist, even a 50% winrate across all the classes won’t mean anything, people will grow bored of them and stop playing. That’s the wrong kind of balance.
I never did such a thing your putting words in my mouth. I want the game balanced around top players. Where did I once do or say such a thing? I have been torn apart multiple times on these forums for wanting the game balanced around top players multiple times.
There must have been a misunderstanding.
I have new data from multiple sources showing paladin is not top tier at all new data showing 5 classes are ahead of a paladin in ever-rank diamond plus. I’ll be posting here later today. This is what I have been saying this whole time. It is not a top-tier deck, just a noob stomper that catches above-average to poop-tier players off guard when experimenting with new decks.
You all don’t want to listen to raw data, and the little surge Paladin had was because the meta was shaken up after the balance patch.
I also agree with everything you said. This is exactly one of the points I have been trying to say this whole time. A 50% win rate across every deck makes the game boring. Right now we have multiple above 54%-60% is diamond. When we get 2 t1000, most are 50-52%, showing that skill factors in everything are pretty balanced right now.
Legend is another thing altogether.
The No. 1 issue with this game has been and always will be players refusing to adapt and change up decks, blaming balance instead of getting good (or building the right decks or getting the right cards), and Blizzard catering to those types of players.
Of course, blizzard has made their mistakes outside of that, but the catering to bad players over the years destroyed the game.
We are finally back on track. Things always get worse in some ways for some people before it gets better.
Let’s use Oregon. For example, legalizing drugs was a good thing, but too many idiots didn’t see the future realizing that all diseases get worse before they get better. If you study history like I have, you will realize there never was a drug issue in the first place. It was created by the governments outlawing drugs, and it was more risky and costly to properly dose out opiium and coke on the black markets, so they sold stupid high concentrations, and we started having the first major cases of Overdoses.
The FBN, now the DEA, used this to push their agenda. This caused more strict laws and those working for the FBN to become rich and keep their jobs after probation. Weed is another story.
But what does this have to do with Hearthstone?
It’s an example.
If enough people gripe, they will get what they want, even if it’s wrong. If enough people hear someone famous say something, they will bandwagon what they say without researching for themselves and start griping in the masses, and the famous person will get what they want.
Good things in life, including Hearthstone, get ruined because of this behavior.
We are on track right now, though. Give it the mini-set, and maybe another expansion and I truly think this game might be great again.
Some people are just always gonna think about their interpretation of the good old days with Hearthstone. Unless it’s back to how they perceived it, they will never be happy.
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Altair is only playing Warlock, so they might be losing a lot to Paladins, making them a bit biased.
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And you were wrong anyway. Burn is a subtype of aggro. Aggro as in aggressive deck that tries to finish enemy as quickly as possible be it through cheap but efficient minions (weenie aggro), direct damage spells (burn aggro) or suicide decks (what in HS we call Pain decks).
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But that is the thing, everyone, even Democrats admitted that there was and always is some degree of election, let’s call it, inappropriateness. Some votes being miscounted on purpose or by accident, people voting who shouldn’t or what have you. With an event of such a scale, when over 200 million people vote and there are tens of thousands people involve in vote organising/counting expecting anything else is cookoo town.
But as you say, that was never the point. The point was, and always is, to cast doubt. Once you have people disbelieving institution you can manipulate them to do almost anything.
In comparison HS conspiracy theories are pretty mundane: just a way for people to explain to themselves that they could be great at the game if it wasn’t for shady company rigging the game so they lose it constantly.
It’s actually the opposite: once you have people believing in an institution, that institution can manipulate them to do almost anything. That’s the tradeoff: on the one hand, people don’t have to spend their time developing specialized knowledge; on the other hand, they trust the experts not to deceive them.
Skepticism is often part of a conman’s strategy. People want good institutions, so if you get them to throw away what they have, that could give a cult leader a monopoly. People are wired for belief. But still, it is always the belief that creates the manipulation, not the disbelief.
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Huh, I like it how some people discard simple facts only because deck presence is small. So paladin is not seen as a threat by some of them simply because usually there are no pallys around (I’ve tried it once and it is boring as hell, so no big mistery here). On the other hand the same trick let me to easily float to legend with Zarimi priest for third month already because people underestimate the deck (even when reports clearly say it is powerful). What’s more funny is that today I’ve played a bit with spell mage for drinks/weapon/Sandard games quests at the same time and went 5-1 against 3k+ legends simply because people tend to underestimate any decks they won’t see frequently.
Well, Altair shows a good example with wheel warlock (is it still wheel or have you shifted to Insanity?) which in PiP is another example of something that does not exist. 
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Well, there is no disbelief in a vacuum. If you disbelieve institutions you believe gurus. If you do not trust mass media you believe alternative media. Human belief hates vacuum.
And trust in institution I am talking about is not about being slave to what the institution says. Skepticism is always healthy. But as the saying goes: Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out. But I think we’re broadly in agreement here.
I never played Wheel warlock xD I did play Insanity, but my main was, and still is, Sludgelock!
I honestly believe the deck is just broken. I haven’t been able to push any other deck as high as I’ve pushed Sludgelock, no matter the meta and how many games I tried.
Obviously, noone else in whole EU plays it, so noone complains about it, but I guarantee you that when top 500 players see they’re playing a Warlock named Altair, they’re crying inside.
You’re lucky, because in europe we are cheapskates and that deck needs old cards that will rotate early 2025. No one free2play who is relatively new and has a brain wastes dust for that.
I’d rather face 1000 sludgelocks than a single Insanity one.
At least with sludgelock I can gain lots of armor, put minions on board, etc.
You can do exactly squat against insanity because they can play Insanity 4+ times.
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The problem is the circunstance where those gurus born. They usually not create the vaccum by themselves and what is hapenning around the world is no exception.
Anyone believing that people distrust institutions just because someone said has some real conigtive issues.
Basically people where given decent reasons to distrust most institutions around the world by the institutions themselves.
Of course. Dunno how but I wrote wheel while thinking of sludge lol. 
Well, given the track record and the lack of success of existing and prior cases, that would be an acceptable assumption from a random member of the public.
Nope, gurus always were here, just like conspiracy theories. Just now they have a big megaphone thanks to social medias. As some guy says: before when you like to give yourself pleasure with a vacuum cleaner you kept your mouth to not be shunned by your community. Now, you can find thousands of vacuum cleaner enjoyers around the world. Simples.
Again. It wasn’t about the gurus.
This time it really is about circunstance. People aren’t dumb and social media is also exposing oficial sources as “not better than any guru”.
If oficial sources don’t treat people properly they are just “another guru”.
They liking it or not.
If you think that they getting a megaphone is the problem is because those people find their arguments better than whatever governments say for example.
Venezuela RN is a really good example:
How people were supposed to understand more or less what is happening there without social media?
Anyone would call it conspiracy theory and that would be it. Not everyone lives in countries with freedom to inform themselves you know.
Basically…
People aren’t getting the truth and therefore they search that truth somewhere else. Even if that other source isn’t any better.