People still complain about classes that are B tier

Your problem is you can’t read. I said I am playing Control DK so whether it is aggro, burn or combo I do not care to play it.

So my only issue is with there being nothing useful for control DK and people who prefer dunking on strawmen of other posters to reading what those posters wrote.

I know you dont mean this in a negative way, but its funny for me to read like you just wanna debate someone and youre ready to be devils advocate for a good time xD

So let’s clarify.

You think Paladin is the 3rd worst class.

Let’s look at some images from 4 (FOUR) different websites:
HSREPLAY MAIN OVERALL CLASSES

VS LIVE DATA






This is 4 different websites. All of which can agree on 1 thing for absolute certainty…

Paladin is a top class with top decks.

The fact that you put it as 3rd worst class, and as someone who says they look at the data, is absolutely astounding and mind boggling.

Here we have real data, from 4 different sources, that do not match what you conclude.

Perhaps it is time to start changing your mind and admit you’re wrong?

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I dont see why you say I cant read. I only chose to address that part of what you said.

Yeah, it’s a weird archetype, lol

It has early board presence characteristic for aggro decks, it has tempo/control mid-game and it has a finisher characteristic for aggro decks (ping down with location, burn with 2-cost dmg spells which return to hand or hunt down with 7-cost spell which freezes and a weapon - classic aggro finishers)

It’s midrange/aggro-control hybrid, I’d say

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Sick burn aside, look who has tier3/regular trust level back!!!
Welcome back from the trenches lmao.

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Thank you! I was excited last week to find out haha

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First of all you looking at data the a bunch if us in another thread agreed was complete bull. Those tier list on his replay are legit the worst there is. Again anything using sparce data is extreamly inacurate. Tell his replay to shut off the sparce data. Those other sites your using also use sparce data as well.

Got caught up with work post continued in another reply.

I SPECIFICALLY used 4 different sites.

FOUR.

That way, there could be zero debate. You can deny 1 and accept the others. That was the entire point.

You just shot right over that and put blinders on so you couldn’t see the truth and that you are incorrect?

So your argument is now “all the other sites are wrong, everyone is wrong but I’m right because of reasons” ???

Is that really what this has come to?

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Well, they are still more accurate than

for painting the picture of the meta.

I have more sites as well I left sparce data in this time to be fair on hs replay.

I legit just made these videos. I just dissagree with how you are usung hs replay.

Here are my 4 sources as well

1

https://youtube.com/shorts/O9a9mIZ73HI?si=zYUn1RysKsI7PAyL

2

https://youtube.com/shorts/r9cYLBYt4CI?si=FPtgFrWrghT4kMCM

3

https://youtu.be/_JfflAAv54U?si=ZvM6ZDuUZivWJstj

4

https://youtube.com/shorts/KnaanovJVeU?si=lhD_g09LBrpFGyH4

I even put in data that goes against my opinon.

Sorry about before I got caught up and posted before my last post was finished made a mistake there. Wanted to have all this for you on my last reply but yeah work.

But as you can see the amount of paladin decks being played are much lower than other classes. Showing the possibilty of more accurate data for the other classes.

Anyways I hope they do something for hunter next patch. Inb4 they break them game when they do…

At the risk of being accused of both being a pally shill (though I think me bringing this up will have the opposite effect as it’s comparing pally mains to the people I’m about to mention… but I can’t help but compare my haters to that same group :joy:) and bringing up politics…

…I’m going to have to point out that the supporters of a certain ex-president could be presented with the results of 60+ different lawsuits, and they’ll still insist all of them are scams/made up/fake/wrong.

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All you did here, possibly without realizing it, is that you proved my point for me. Your first 2 videos showed Paladin in the running while other classes weren’t. Which proves Paladin isn’t the 3rd worst class. In fact, your VS data showed Paladin as the 5th best deck, which matches what I showed in my VS screenshot.

Then, your last video you fail to mention that there isn’t enough data in Top1K Legend from D0nkey to show proper win rates.

I’m going to show you a screenshot of the data you aren’t showing

So what you did is purposefully select 1000 minimum games in Top1K Legend because there isn’t enough data there to show Paladin because there isn’t enough games recorded because the patch just went live.

But when you filter for more games, it’s clear Paladin is at top.

All your last videos do is show Paladin isn’t as popular, but it’s absolutely strong and is a top class nonetheless.

I don’t think anyone, after seeing all this data, could possibly conclude Paladin is the 3rd worst class.

It’s absolutely a top class. It might not be the best, it might not need nerfs, but it’s absolutely a top class without question.

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Nope your reading into it. I showed everything unbias only ranks I look at diamond 4-1 legend and t1000. When I look at data cause thats all that should matter anything under shows too much player error.

I only showed data from latest patch till now as well.

no amount of evidence will ever be enough to change the mind of a stupid person, you may as well go yell at a wall

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That’s kind of what makes it a strong and interesting deck. It often starts off with immediate pressure and then controls the game while still applying that pressure. With an average draw it can keep returning to the board and removing the board just fuels their ability to finish you from hand.

This is most likely how Rainbow will play for the foreseeable future. There’s quite a few flex spots in the base deck to make it hard to predict exactly what your opponents DK might have in it all together.

I’m curious to see if they give another spell school to the deck in the mini set.

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Data means nothing to Rekt. Nothing.

Schyla’s tryhard data post meant well, but this was enough to know that Rekt can’t be reasoned with.

One of those lawsuits has been revealed as being wrong. There was fraud, as was claimed. Underreported, of course.

Don’t get me wrong though: anyone who couldn’t see that his legal strategy was to throw a bunch of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticked, wasn’t being honest with themselves. In the same way, anyone who thought that doing that would really have ZERO spaghetti stick is entirely too optimistic about people resisting the temptation to cheat.

I am supremely confident that there are at least 10,000 people nationwide who committed election fraud in 2020… and that at least 3,000 of them cheated to benefit Republicans. What’s silly is thinking security is perfect, or that securing elections is organically some kind of partisan issue.

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Oh I’m sure nothing is all black or white. That’s actually how I usually operate, but that gets me called a pally shill and other names because oh no I don’t immediately join in on paladin is OP/mock the pally players bandwagon.

I’m trying real hard to stay away on the main topic on paladins here. As I said far above in thread, I’ve been focusing on and messing with my tourist crafter aura jank. Janking crafter’s aura seems better than badlands bandit, which is sad since the latter is legendary and in a vacuum is a more interesting spell.

Jakning out aura on 5 then repeating with conniving conman next turn is a pretty fun thing, but not a meta tyrant. Aggro can kill before turn 5 or still burn you down before you board turns things around, and control still has a chance to survive it. Best success I had is against druids. 6 drops are a little harder to swipe/gemtosser away and probably out of left field from what they expect. I even beat through one unkilliax (not like they can res multiple copies now haha)

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Legit “weird” is correct. If I just went with my fealings id say burn/midrange/control hybrid lmao…

The location is burn as heck

Its more like the other way around I posted videos in multiple theads showing day by day data for the last week far more data than he showed. Showing paladin win rate in all ranks and decks for a week being bellow 50% and you take ones dudes data that has 4 diff sources while my data having the same amount of sources but more data. Showed graphs showm win rates vs classes as well that proved my point instead of just general data.

Unkillax was effecting the win rates yes but if yoh still look at detailed data from firestone hs replay, hearthstone top decks, hsguru and many more it proves my point even more. The data is much lower because palladin is not played as much and when I forget who the streamer is was promoting the deck cause the play rate to surge for almost a week its drop dramaticly over 5 days as well.

Everyone stoped playing it and it went back to were it was being bellow the rates of the classes with decks in the S tier i showed.

Honestly i dont give a crap about paladin.

This whole thing has been a point showing that this comunity does not listen to the reason of a top player or even sound solid data.

They would rather look at some data whos control group is smaller than the decks in the S tier I posted that skews the results in the favor of a weak deck to make it look far more powerfull than it was.

Its no diffrent that demon hunter back in the day. It was nerfed to hell and people still complained till it was guted for a long time.

Anyways here is what i want to see; changes to help hunter, changes to rogue (although it might not be needed there is a deck with stupid high win rates that poped up in the last 48 hours only a small amount of data simular to paladin but even far less data so might be invalid).

When i say changes i mean buffs and tweeks to some cards to give it a little help.

I think the issue is the secrets are strong enough that giving hunter the changes it needs might make it broken OP.

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