Paladin is completely not even a issue right now yet so called “Good Players” belive it needs to be nerfed. Priest is performing better than paladin as of recent. Does paladin need a buff? No. But its nothing more than a noob stomper. Just run a burn style deck or if your doung more of a fast paced aggro deck never let them have a minon out or build board presence.
There is no sparce data here so its is highly accurate.
Still belive the game is still the best in 6 years.
Im making all sorts of fun a valid competetive decks nobody has thought of yet and having a blast.
Anyways here is the state of the meta outside of home brew of course.
I really don’t care about how OP paladin is, but I’m gonna use this thread to talk about what I’m messing with in pally
Basically, I’m doing tourist, trying to do sea shill to discount either badlands bandit or crafter’s aura. Then repeat that with conniving conman.
I’m running a mostly handbuff stuff in the rest of my deck, as handbuff pally actually uses a few neutrals so you can avoid wasting sea shill’s discount.
It’s not meta because it can’t counter the usual meta suspects (you can’t beat hard aggro, can’t even beat elemental decks since you can’t jank in time/consistently; you can’t beat unkilliax) but it’s just funny when it pops off.
I love how yall attack the same data you use. When its not in your favor you will attack the source.
Ill find more data to prove my point pally is trash.
This is true its complete garbage.
Yet ppl use it for refernce 24/7 the other data you can look up is legit but when ever people find it proves against there ideas they attack the source a classic falacy.
I haven’t seen an actual class tier list since Darkmoon. Humor me, if everyone’s complaining about B tier classes with default skins and gibberish names, then what qualifies as a C tier to you?
It differs every patch and it’s extremely subjective. It depends on how you read stats; nobody will do it perfectly for you; even Vicious Syndicate who do it professionally do major mistakes in how they read stats for my taste in quality of statistics.
I go to hsguru and just look at stats (after I filter them); the most high quality page is the Meta page and after that you can go to the Decks pages where the literal decks are; the right choice on what to consider “X” Tier is VERY filter-affected.
You also can’t talk about “classes that are B tier”, you have to talk about specific decks.
So a class can have hot garbage but have 1 deck that is broken. Does that make the class B tier?
I’m asking genuinely. I have stats and images to either support or deny your claim, but I am not exactly sure what you mean.
If the overall case you are trying to make is that Paladin isn’t the biggest offender, I’d agree with you. But if your overall case is that Paladin isn’t really strong, I’d disagree with you.
Honestly I dont think there is many offenders right now im enjoying hearthstone the most I have in years. This is my opinon. Too many classes have good decks and more are poping up still. The meta has not settled for the popular decks.
I think some classes need changes like hunter. They in a weird spot right now.
I was playing a almost exactly the same new DK deck thats poped up with the tourist shaman package since day one of expansion.
I just took the deck provided from blizzard as a base and changed it up ALOT. I think close to 14 cards. Mine is still diffrent that you see but im noticing people are getting closer every day. They off by 6 cards now. My deck has gotta be floating around someware by now.
Point being there is alot to be descovered by the masses yet. I have a priest deck that I have not seen anyone playing the exact same deck as well, and my win rates on all the decks/classes im playing are within 1% win rate diffrence.
I have never seen this game this balanced in my personal win rates between classes and decks.
Priest, shaman, dk, druid, and mage are all doing amazing right now and my win rates are within 1% of each other showing balance of the decks im playing on those classes.
Warrior is still strong DH is strong along with warlock.
Here is were the win rates start seriously falling off for me that is with paladin and hunter.
Priest, shaman, dk, druid, and mage I would all put in S tier right now on over all class strength based on the strong decks they have right now. Wow 5 classes in S tier?
Yes cause any dumb butt can just never let them get a minon out on the board even more so if your DK Warrior Shaman Priest DH does fine against them too hell mage is a even match.
Well, I’m glad I asked what you meant. I thought you were gonna put Paladin higher…but saying that Paladin is the 3rd worst class is just astonishing.
You seem to not understand what the Tier system means. S tier means broken. Godlike. You have so many classes in S tier that it’s self contradictory.
But in any case, Paladin is most definitely not the 3rd worst class. It has the 5th best deck overall in every rank. These are the facts. I can show them to you.
Paladin also has 2 decks in Tier2-Tier1 range. Some classes don’t have a single one. Warrior, Rogue, Hunter for example.
When I see someone put Paladin as the 3rd worst class, it makes me wonder if you have a bias because it goes against the actual data and the facts.
And your topic says “People still complain about classes that are B tier” but clearly what you meant was “People still complain about Paladin” but didn’t want to say Paladin.
DK got a fun, well-rounded deck, which caused me lots of problem until I learned how to play against it, and I still think it could be problematic to some of the meta decks
DK could again play a scissors role in the meta, controlling 1 part of it and losing to the other
If thats what you wana take away from that your more than welcome too but that was not my intention.
Was making a point that I belive paladin is b tier. I played it at the beginning of the expansion and deleted my deck cause I felt that DH,Priest, Shaman, Mage and Druid had much more fun less linear game play and something new and fun to experance by playing those classes.
My win rate on paladin was much worse than those classes to was getting trashed by all of the classes I put in S&A tier.
For me S tier just means the best tier nothing more right now because the classes I put in S tier all have the top win rates and the win rate diffrences are negligable.
There is a lot more and its not a aggro deck its a burn deck. Its simular to soul DH at least mine is. If your playing it aggro thats your first issue.
It has Alot of recources. Aggro decks dont have high cost cards generaly either. Every one has high clost cards all the DH decks.
I also call mine Tourist DK.
Tbh it might not be a burn either but its deff not a aggro deck.
Unless people concider anything that has a early board pressence and control aggro lol.
