This is not how we approach prng.
We seed with a naturally occurring phenomenon that is random (radioactive decay) or an incrementally increasing sequence like a time stamp which is more than sufficient for any eyeballing randomness you need in a video game. It is robust enough to be random upon scrutiny from hundreds of thousands of games recorded on third party sites.
So if you take random number generation and then call it programmatic, what part of a fixed field of variables contributes to the concept of random?
No matter the reference youāre attempting to make, there is no truly random; I think you are agreeing with what I already said, that itās random within its confines. (Iām reading between your overly complex context-specific wording to explain a very simple idea).
And just to make sure we both understand English and programming: This is exactly how āweā approach RNG. Give a program a fixed field of variables and allow it to select only from that field. Youāll never pull a color from a variable set of only 1 digit integers. Only through complimentary programmatic automation can a complex variable even be returned (meaning you need a base code language that relies on an underlying architecture-building language that relies on hardware to even create a variable set).
Building random on fixed and fixed and fixed is not and cannot be random. Perhaps a course in physics would help you to better understand the idea of what random is. Math does not explain random, math explains results not the function. There is no way to create random in an equation that requires input.
Hopefully that last sentence was easy enough to understand. I canāt draw pictures here and Iām out of crayons.
DM: Doll d6 for damage
Player: It came up red.
DM: What?
Player: I rolled d6 and it came up red.
DM: Are you high?
Player: Yes Yes I am.
Personally, I think my explanation was more intuitive than the word salad you are coming up with, so to each their own.
Do you know how random seeding works? From what you are replying it does not seem that you do.
Yes computers are deterministic, so given the same seed they will come up with the exact same ārandomā number. To make sure you get a ānewā random number, you need a new seed.
We donāt try to generate the seed, or we would have the problem you just described. We sample something with variance. In Research a radioactive decaying element is a naturally occurring random event that can be sampled to seed a random number generator. In practice we use things like the time stamp at the moment the action that is taken along with something like your unique user id.
As long as the first seed is not deterministically generated, it is for all intents and purposes random and deterministic functions using this random seed do not tarnish that quality.
What makes you think I havenāt taken a physics class? You know radioactive decay is covered under physics, right? I didnāt buy $700
Worth of textbooks without taking the classes for themā¦
Thatās what a random seed is for.
This is exactly why I said to Op itās as random as it gets for the first thousand or so years of your life. Thereās a ton of studies on the topic, thereās a ton of work on It by now. Itās a core part of the industry.
Saying we canāt have Random right now is like arguing that cars donāt exist. Itās out there, it works, thereās plenty of things that only work cause It works. Thereās no arguing against it
Ignorant masses who donāt really have the capacity to think or enough knowledge to understand manipulation just LOVE to come in here and beat up on RNG accusations. Itās because they have a small chunk of understanding, and they love an opportunity to beat up on people. So all you get responses from dumb jerks who smell an opportunity to lord over people with their half-baked understanding of statistics.
Welcome to gacha game. Your new here.
How dare people use logic, reasoning, and have standards of evidence! We should all go by our gut feelings and ignorance of how the matchmaking works. That sentiment reminds me of paranormal and conspiracy subreddits. You want to come in and apply critical thinking? Downvoted!
We do use logic, we see SUPER GREEDY EVIL people who run companies care nothing for human deceny.
The idea they would go, 2 inches further and steal isnt absurd.
Thats why trash5 and activescum hire people to come here and trash on the people who can see it is IN FACT a massive scam.
And yes, guaranteed they use code to seperate you from your money.
Remember they had to reveal the āmake people buy stuffā
PATENTSā¦
hmmmm
What do the patents do spock?
oh yeah they trick you into buying stuff.
How much do these companies make?
Just 100s of billions lolā¦
āGUYS ITS RANDOMā
No, its not.
Neither is someone on the forums at all times of day and night to say its totally fine. nothing to see hereā¦
Sure.
Thatās an argument from incredulity. No one is saying that Blizzard is an upstanding company that functions in good faith. However, all of that you wrote is circumstantial at best. Remember, the plural of anecdote is not evidence. Itās worth noting, as well, that no one is claiming that itās impossible that matchmaking is manipulated nefariously due to greed. The lack of any hard, any empirical evidence, is why players like me question this assertion.
As an aside, itās also worth noting that none of us are being paid to voice skepticism. That is an ad hominem, and a way to be dismissive to any arguments actually being made.
Edit: And evidence is also required for the premise that frustrating players, in fact, influences them to spend money. That sounds bizarre to me. I donāt get pissed off and think āI better buy some cardsā.
Did u play during FWA era?
Iām unfamiliar with that acronym, so probably not. Can you clarify?
Edit: Google tells me Fiery War Axe?
Fiery war axe 2020202020202020202020
I see. What about Fiery War Axe? I donāt see the connection?
How in the hell are they beating the RNG accusations, lmao. I love it.
āDumb people are coming here and proving me wrong! I fail to see any irony!ā
Could bet ya they will mention how every warrior used to have FWA on 2 (and also that eh doesnāt understand mulligans"
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I know its just a coincidence that the super greedy wallet warrior cant survive without FWA on t2.
And the devs nose diving the game for profits.
Probably just a natural occurrence that the most expensive deck at the timeā¦ and a popular one would have FWA in the opening hand of every single gameā¦
You know so the deck will workā¦ and people will craft the cards for itā¦
If people still believe this game is not rigged, theyāre either ignorant or shills. You can clearly see how they could rig this game. Just play any deck and get a mirror deck, no matter how popular the deck you are playing is, you will get a mirror of it.
So if you go and create a deck of all 10 mana cards, youāll get a mirror?
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it seems obvious to me that the game is rigged, we are talking about a game that many players perceive as full of random events but where there is very little randomness, letās face it, what would be a software house that has a sort of dispenser in its hands of money how is hearthstone and leave it to chance?? Anyone with a modicum of logic knows that there will be a simple A.I. not too advanced that controls everything, blizzard has always studied the psychology of the players for all its games and knows very well that there are some situations that induce players to spend money, for example when an expansion comes out, on the one hand blizzard seems to have created cards roughly balanced but in truth the A.I. it goes to push on an improved rng on those cards or when the new classes come out on those, at least at the beginning and here the players obviously have to buy those new cards but on paper everything is more or less balanced. If a user wins too much in the arena with 7 wins in a row what does blizzard gain? Nothing, he obviously has to act to modify the matchmaker or the in-game rng to break down excessive win streaks, otherwise he would become a user unwilling to buy, if he always wins what should he buy? Open your eyes and you will understand that here everything is under control, every now and then the devs simulate a nerf to make the community think that they act to balance but of course it is always the driven rng that governs everything and not the buff or the nerf that changes the system , thatās just a lark mirror. The only way that would give us any hope is for an external regulatory body to be set up to check all games that contain in-game purchases, and by check I mean check everything, source codes, servers, everything, to see if there is any inequity for anyone. pays and who does not pay or whether the word ārandomā is real or not. Propose it to blizzard and you will see what it repliesā¦
Governments get taxes so of course any regulatory body will have a secret AI to force companies to maximise revenue because that logically leads to more taxes.
China called btw, they want their great wall of text back.