That is how he is taking the meaning out of the rule book while ignoring blizzard does not allow cheating. Like how if you made a twitch account and streamed a bot climbing the ladder it would be banned 100% but if you stream bgs using this they do nothing.
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Dude, you have to agree to the EULA to even own a battlenet account.
Clearly youre just one of those who doesnt actually read the T&C’s of what they are agreeing to, so here is the CURRENT EULA:
Section C, clause ii, is where you want to look.
yes, its cheatin as it stands by the terms you agree to in order to even have a bnet account!
Until Blizzard gives authorisation to use the method, anyone using it is a cheater.
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doesnt mention reconnecting during BG games anywhere on that text !
the word “exploit” is in it so you decided to call this an “exploit” to make it look like they are talking about this !
All of you, idiots, who are arguing that this is not an exploit should be banned from THE INTERNETZ for a year.
I’m sure Blizzard would love to patch it out… they are probably not competent enough to do it without breaking something else and thus requiring QA time they don’t have. That’s probably the only reason.
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Can someone explain how you do that? I want to do that too
The issue is that Combat Phase is half the fun of BGs, where you get to see the results of your choices/experiments (and watching Combat Phase can inform you of flaws in your warband’s positioning…though this small advantage pales in comparison to getting “first dibs” on the best minions).
If “the meta” calls that Combat Phase be skipped every time, I’d say that makes for a faulty game, and yes, unfair to those who would fully enjoy BGs and want to engage in informed decision-making based on combat, but without losing the chance at decent minions…
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It is only for like 2 certain builds and you can not do it everygame. It does nothing for everyones experience since everyone can do it. I mean does the same apply for when you get 30rd at turn like 7, cause that ruins that “experience”
It is very much covered by that clause. Clearly you have no experience with legally binding documents.
They dont need to outline every potential situation.
YOU need their explicit consent to use it, as the EULA is written.
Until you get the consent, anyone using the method is cheating.
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Don’t waste your breath, it is clear they are children on the internet with no actual life experience and the law. Because every idiot with some sort of legal education knows exactly what singing the EULA means… like it also means that you don’t own your “own” battlenet account and Blizzard doesn’t even need a reason to ban you if they so desire…
Wow. This actually provides quite a bit of clarification. Being that the above comment is an indisputable truth, it can easily be understood why the method in question is certainly not an example of cheating, and why Blizzard does not, and should not, care if people are doing this. It’s not their responsibility, and not their problem, if someone’s machine or connection isn’t able to keep up. This is a client side problem, and what’s being called an exploit is truly just a client side solution. Blizzard doesn’t ban anyone for utilizing this “exploit”, for the same reason they don’t ban anyone for maintaining their device. > Blockquote
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No, thats not how it works when it comes to the SOFTWARE people are using. They need explicit consent from Blizzard to use it, period. It doesnt matter if its server side, or client side. Its 3rd party software that gives an advantage to those using it over those not using it, therefore as per the EULA requires consent to use.
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Maybe I don’t understand then. I haven’t looked into this extensively. Just reading comments and picking out what makes sense. Are people using add on software for this? If so, how is that different from just pulling your ethernet cable for a few seconds, and how is that wrong, if they aren’t modifying the game, but making up for lag, in essence? Can you explain to me in terms I might better understand? I’m not an advocate for cheating, and I don’t utilize this “exploit” currently, but I’m not seeing the problem with others doing so.
Also, not to change the subject, but has anyone figured out what’s causing the automatic loss situations, where the player in first place goes uncontested, and you still lose with a positive life total?
If you dont understand, read the EULA where it is explained in detail. Its provided a few posts up.
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I read it when I started my account. Apparently I don’t understand, so I’m asking for guidance, as there seems to be quite a debate on the topic. Not that it’s your responsibility to provide, but if you would like to be helpful, it would be appreciated.
- Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein:
- cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
- bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
- hacks; i.e. accessing or modifying the software of the Platform in any manner not expressly authorized by Blizzard; and/or
- any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that can be used in connection with the Platform and/or any component or feature thereof which changes and/or facilitates the gameplay or other functionality;
Points 1 & 4. Blizzards explicit authorisation is needed to use the software.
See, this is where I can see manually exiting the game and reloading is a gray area. I have reloaded my client in many blizzard games to fix laggy/buggy issues and that has never been a violation of ToS. BUT, at their sole discretion they can declare it as such and there’s nothing to argue at that point.
I don’t do it, though, because I don’t think it’s fair play in the truest sense.
And again, this is not in dispute. If you install a third party program to automate or improve the game and that program does not have expressed authorization from blizzard, you are in violation.
I think players using that software should lose their accounts.
But the MANUAL reloading does not work instantly, it still loses you a good 20- 30 seconds, depending on the machine. Now that the game lags sometimes, is not up for dispute and is a shame for a company like Blizzard. But in order to properly fix that, they would have to address their phail spaghetti coding of hearthstone itself - incl. all of the resulting “working as intended” cards.
Reloading once or twice during a daily session is fine. Reloading multiple times (like the cheaters are doing) per game, every game is different and quite clearly also against the EULA, as it is not how the game is supposed to be played. If it was, there would be no visible combat phase in the first place. And that includes MANUALLY blocking the internet connection of the game via the windows firewall… if people need a 3rd party software for that… then yeah that is on them.
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And that’s why I think it might not necessarily be an actionable exploit, because it’s a client side action that would can have valid reasons that aren’t aimed at cheating.
Agreed.
This is a reasonable argument.
Ultimately, Blizz will make a choice and let us know.
Exactly… There is no gray area on any third party script that affects game play or performance.
I think they will remove Kadghar and nerf certain pirates BEFORE they ever attempt to fix the actual issue…
The “software” people are using does not interact with HS in anyway shape or form. Therefore they can do nothing about it. It’s like saying Nvidia optimisation tools which close background processes are cheating as they speed up your machine. There is no way for them to dictate what you can and can’t do to settings outside of HS.
They will probably just remove/change the offending minions until they work out a way to make you reconnect at the start of the combat phase forcing you to watch it.