45% of opponents are mages at legend

OK, time to put the end on lies.

When I say that Painlock doesn’t counter BSM, I mean it doesn’t have a polarized positive winrate against it. Now, around 50%? Absolutely. I have exactly 50% winrate against it, but that’s not a counter.

48% is also not a counter.

Have a look at the stats for top 1k, region EU:

https://ibb.co/yYnN2DH

325 sample, 48% winrate. Let’s not spread anymore lies.

Oh, and…git gud.

P.S. In top 1k EU currently there are 0 insanity warlocks, and I’ve played 3 mirrors (3/28), so every warlock here is Painlock.

P.S. 2: I play on EU currently, so when I say something, I give full context: I give rank, I give region, and I give proof. Bark all you want, but when I say something, I don’t just pull it out my behind - I’m literally there, and you - are not.

Btw quick question, are you running speaker Stompers and/or neophytes in pain lock? Those are like mvp cards in the sense that when BSM telegraphs they are going for tsunamis you drop them and delay at least the turn if not altogether.

If your not running those you are easily leaving 5 to ten percent win rate on the table.

Poor guy doesn’t know how to read stats. Then tells everyone to get better, when he’s the one losing a favored battle.

And again insists on spreading his ego around.

Doesn’t know he looks foolish.

Oh well, he’ll figure it out.

Pretty easy to check the Painlock stats and see at Top1k Legend 60% favored

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No, I’m not, and I don’t see any Painlock on EU running it

I wouldn’t even know what to drop to play those tempo-losing cards

What do you suggest?

They are not tempo losing card, if anything they are massive tempo cards when played correctly because they lock out opponents.

Ive never played pain lock successfully without them.

That’s what makes painlock a high skill cap deck, cause a lot of times you are dropping to dangerous health levels and the only reason you survive is because you drop a stomper. For ex, most games i win in at like less than 6 life, so the real skill in navigating the deck is trading this danger off for lethal. You have to know what cards your opponent may have and exactly how much mana they need for lethal then time the spell lock to get a lethal board and prevent their lethal.

I’ll post my list which I have found hundred percent win rate vs BSM shortly.

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Here’s my list. Note Stompers are better in BSM because they are a hard spell lock, they can’t do any spells pretty much.

Neophytes are better vs druid because you can drop them on curve and disrupt ramp.

But since you want to beat BSM run Stompers. And do not always trade them, they are the hardest card to play correctly in painlock but if played correctly are a massive jump in winrate.

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Please do, but

I think it’s a matter of playstyles.

I have issues with those cards, I rarely seem to be able to utilize them as much as they’re dead cards in my hand.

I prefer to just full out pressure them, i oftten win turn 4 or 5, as well

That’s my preferred playstyle.

I have other decent versions in mind, but none of them fit my playstyle as much.

By just a mental calculation, I’m seeing about 1 in every 3 games vs BSM winning by dropping a stomper at the right time, usually right before lethal. Sometimes a tempo play.

Stompers are good to decent in most mu but in some mu like spell based or control decks they are MVP.

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So, after they nerf this deck and something just as stupid takes it’s place, I fully expect threads calling those decks out from all of you.
Otherwise it’s just hypocrisy.

Yep, Mage is still oppressive. Yes Painlock counters the original deck. But all They need to do is put in some doomsayers or Neophytes of their own and they can counter-stall you and play their stuff just fine a turn later without sacrificing any of their combo or utility.

Something has to change with Mage as it is right now, because even the decks that counter it are getting tech’d against without much effort by them.

Let’s just delete the class. At least that would be honest.

Hey I’m going on record to say that BSM is not much worse if at all in terms of scamming than a lot of stuff that already exist, like Reno druid.

If they nerf BSM but not Reno druid, that’s just plain favoritism or bias by Blizzard. Really they need to address all the scam. But knowing Blizzard they will probably just double down.

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Probably, but I expect the deck to be nerfed. It should be. Nothing should cheat that much mana. But like you said: Other decks will get ignored.

Well, only about 10% of people were playing Reno druid recently. Over 30% of the entire player base is playing this mage deck. One is obviously a lot more oppressive with less room or time to deal with than the other.

Because Mage is the cards they have. That is Team 5’s fault as well.

Sorry, I don’t really understand what you’re implying with this statement exactly.

Mage is the class you start with, and so it naturally is the class that people begin their collections with. Most older players have very complete mage collections. Collectors don’t dust cards to craft new ones. They add to collections they already have.
Team 5 could have done something about this years ago, and should have, but again; no money for improvements, just ways to take more of your money.

can you send me or post your rainbow shaman list?

Turn 4 Tsunamis have got to go asap.

What deck are you playing?