S33 tier list guessing

the prediction was based on pre-beta testing and during beta testing the literal #1 on the ladder was only Jesseth’s. Of course it was nerfed and of course that clears all liability of the prediction. I am always right.

Are you sure? :thinking:

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It essentially only really works in the open cube season, where you’d replace Tragoul’s Corroded Fang (only 200% multiplier) with Nayr’s which gives 4x100% stacks. This season I don’t think it gets a look in because it’d be replacing Scythe of the Cycle instead. For DN builds this season, I imagine you’ll be using SotC, with Bloodtide Blade and Funerary Pick cubed (Funerary Pick is usually cubed where possible because it rolls with Vitality so you can’t rolled main stat off.) No real room for Nayr’s.

It works because of a presumed bug in Nayr’s. You do your damage with Tragoul’s Avatar and LoD Death Nova builds by channeling Blood Siphon. If you do it with a poison rune, the procced Death Novas (Physical) are multiplied by the Nayr’s multipliers even though it’s only supposed to do poison damage.

It’s fairly well documented across the web now (see YT video above) so I’m not exactly letting the cat out of the bag.

If mods think I’m violating the no-sploits policy, feel free to delete my post. :heart:

I remember this thread on the Necromancer forums and even then you were proven wrong and your defense was not “because it was nerfed”.

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For giggles I went through patch since the implementation of the necro and the only change to Jesseth was done in S21 when its damage buff was changed from applying pets only to all damage and percentage remained the same. At no point was there any nerf.

I can see only the Rathma builds continue to use Jesseth’s. Nova builds won’t be using it since that would replace 2 mandatory legendary powers and there’s only 1 extra cube slot. Masquerade likely won’t, I’d wager it’ll just use Nayr’s in the 4th slot.

So it won’t be Jesseth’s only. I’d suspect Nova builds being on the top again although not as much as in S31.

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don’t post videos of people streaming while cheating as well.

Ok ok i got it,i’m sorry

Remember, the claims were…

The results were…

Your prediction for Jesseth’s being the only choice was wrong.
Your prediction that no-one would use SotC was wrong.

In summary, you were wrong then and it won’t be any truer in the upcoming season.

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I’d like to know how Bravata plans to equip Funerary Pick, Iron Rose, Bloodtide Blade (the 3 mandatory powers for Nova builds) and Jesseth’s at the same time. :thinking:

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jesseth in main hand, iron rose in off hand, bloodtide in weapon slot in cube and funery pick in 4th slot…

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FYI, Jesseth is a Scythe + Shield combo so it would displace Iron Rose. Unless this post is taunting Bravata mercilessly, in which case I say “Bravo”.

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at the time of the claim, which i was 100% right about, jesseth’s was dominating the #1 spot on the leaderboards. (source is you)

the build that required Jesseth’s was nerfed, the build that was dominating the PTR as i predicted.

if only i weren’t the only person with a Masters in Mathematics, maybe others would have calculated or even understood how i came to that conclusion and was 100% correct. The mob tends to outcast the exceptional few.

are you trying to tell me that Rathma isn’t going to be the strongest build?

are you literally telling me that?

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Hi, how are you doing tinne? What are you up to? How is the baby? :slight_smile:

I’ve skipped quite a few seasons, but I’m pretty excited to come back this season just for this build! :smiley:

Archon hydra doesn’t get deathwish, and afaik nothing else comes close, so I expect all top typhon clears to be deathwish-coe rotations as you say. Unless I missed something.

I want to add another twist and add in a ranslors pull (you see what I did there? twist?? because energy TWISTer!! :stuck_out_tongue: ). I came up with a neat little hipster build that might be able to clear 150 at relatively low paragon. We’ll see how it does in practice, but my goal is to be the lowest paragon typhon 150 on ssf.

And we can run both fragment and aether walker, so typhon speed XP farming will be much better than usual! Probably still not on par with other wiz XP builds, but I think good enough for me to stick with typhon only until I get my 150, and I don’t have to spend resources on other sets.

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Remember, the claim was that it was the only wearable choice, not the best choice, the only choice. And your evidence for the claim being right was my post showing that in the top 10 slots of the PTR leaderboard the top spot was Jesseth’s, but the other nine were not using that set, and were instead using SotC, i.e. the weapon you said that no-one would be using. And you’re claiming that 90% of the top ten spots using something other than your only choice makes the claim right? This brings us back to your mathematical ability claims…

A Master’s degree in Mathematics…

…that can’t work out 5^4 = 625, not 550.

I wonder how long into Season 33 will it take the leaderboards to prove you wrong (again). I’m guessing that it’ll be no more than 24 hours.

Thanks for bringing up that old thread again. It brought me a lot of chuckles.

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There was no nerf. Where’s your evidence of this alleged nerf?

Well your math skills don’t support that claim considering that because according to you 5x5x5x5 equals 550.

Well, yes. Nova builds gain an additional 5x multiplier with the 4th slot by using Scythe of the Cycle. That’s 10 GRs buff.

What can Rathma use in the 4th slot? SotC is out since Army of the Dead isn’t a secondary skill, Nayr’s is out since the high damage rune isn’t poison, etc. Trag’Oul’s Corroded Fang would be best option but that’s only 3x damage buff to cursed enemies. I’m not that sure it’s enough to stay ahead of Nova builds.

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Bravata, the ultimate forum player, is back. :smile:

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As far as I remember there wasn’t any nerf but I won’t expect everyone to have the same tastes and patience with fishing. For sure, Jesseth Arms can be a powerful side Set and you can toss it to almost any Necromancer build, but not every class Set build will have the same comfort while trying to sustain and utilize it.

Also, if we are talking about every build of Necromancers, you’ll see that Jesseth’s Arms don’t really fit well with Blood Nova related builds at all when Funerary is a better option.
Any Necromancer build with Jesseth’s (Jasad in Arabic; “body, flesh”) can require more fishing for density than the average attempt with another common setup, or demand you to focus for longer to play the build right. Not everyone will have the patience or attention to do that. So yeah, don’t worry about the diversity of the leader boards.

You don’t know this trick? Call your character Shiva and you will have at least 4 arms, so 2 additional slots in the cube. Plus the slot of season 33, everything can be used.

But hey, it’s a trick of experienced players

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Oh, I didn’t know that. Necro newbie here.

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