I asked of these possibilities their relative likelihood in your mind. All may be possible but some in your mind must be more likely than others. I was asking for your assessment.
The non-season current era gives a clear idea of current/pre-nerf Chantodo power. Chantodo power post-nerf will obviously be less than pre-nerf.
The PTR clearly show a 140 can be cleared by ww/rend in the absence of an equipped FoT. He also used non-ancient shoulders without an augment (obviously) and had the wrong rune for one of his skills.
I am limiting the discussion to non-season only that is NOT affected by the seasonal buff.
One augment at 150 is 750 str. A 10.7k paragon player has what? 50k mainstat? 1.9% damage and 200 extra vitality from shoulders. This really doesnât add up to x2 damage but letâs say it does.
Post nerf chantodo is 3.5 gr weaker but with working squirt, so 3 gr considering how common ground effects are. Thatâs 141 or even 142 post nerf (2:30 is huge margin in darkpatatorâs clear). Not exactly the weakest build in the game.
Next season=next patch, during the pointless discussions on next ptr/patch. I agree that NS is the only reasonable way to compare builds, but the entire discussion on rend is highly speculative at the time being.
You wizzie and dh players are pretending to be stupid because you know barbarian wonât be #1, even with the buffs. Stop trolling, stop wasting our times. Be honest for once
The current PTR ww/rend build will be stronger than any build for crusaders, DH, monks, necromancers (with the thorns nerf), and witch doctors.
It appears that pre-nerf wizards were clearly overpowered as illustrated in the linked thread below.
My earnest point is that the game designers need to be careful about making another outlier, especially in light of them nerfing both wizards and necromancers.
Yeah, pre nerf wizard was really overpowered as you stated, but you know why I and thousands of other barb players do not ask to nerf other classes? Because we are freaking adults and stand by whatâs fair. We provided the devs tons of feedback and suggestions to buff our own class, not nerf others. Go to our forums and see for yourself.
This attitude ânerf other class plsâ is pathetic
How is it fair to have outlier classes that are too weak or overpowered? I believe in parity. You buff the weak classes and nerf overpowered classes. If it is ok to be overpowered than it would also be ok to be underpowered, since any difference in relative power is ok.
A corollary to never ask for nerfs to overpowered classes, is never ask for buffs for weak classes. It is my opinion that this would be a bad way to go for game design.
Nerf is only required when something is straight broken, or there is an exploit, which turns the game unfair.
The thing is, WW Rend is neither. You say itâs OP, then you clearly do not know whatâs OP. WW/Rend may even become #1 build this season, but not by a large margin. Not even close to be called overpowered. That IF itâs #1, which I think it is not. Thatâs a far thing from OP.
You guys are not complaining about being OP, you are upset it might be the strongest build. The claim it will clear 150 is absurd, all based on quotes by a 10,5k paragon player.
Man, wizard have been stronger by 5+ compared to barbarian for one year or more and we havenât complained about it asking for nerf. You get what Iâm saying.
You guys should stand by âunâ nerf your class, not fueling a class war by creating a whole post about it.
While you and other people who main barbs may not have asked for wizard nerfs, others who main barbs have asked for nerfs. There is a heterogeneity in this. I would argue those posters who asked for nerfs are correct in my mind, irrespective of what class they play. I personally disagree with those who do not ask for nerfs to OP classes. Two wrongs do not equal a right.
Did anyone see 144 by wiz on PTR back when Chantodo set had been buffed? No. Because it was PTR where nobody want to push. And if now even on PTR 138+ got easily achieved by barbs can say something to someone with brains unlike you
And on what data shoud we base our opinion on? The words of a noname scrub? Same guy with same para did 144 for wizard which yâall so often refer to. Not 3-5k para player.
Do not be lazy. Check the top 50 of each class and see the disparity for yourself. Diabloprogress on google. There are plenty of posts about this here too, just read it. You just donât compare the #1.