Personal loot confirmed?

[Genoo-2526]

i think we can all agree diablo3 pre release is not nearly the same game as diablo3 after first expansion or even today, so it doesnt matter what devs said pre 2012

[Whirlwind-1974]

@Zemini-1614

It is called changing the game to fit the modern times. I don’t expect purists to like the change but there is a new market now whether you like it or not. Should D2 still be more hardcore than D3? Yes. But it doesn’t need to be held back by archaic game design choices that were likely made due to tech and not gameplay.

Changing it to fit modern times? Why not just go play D3 and accept that D2 is for a different audience?

@Zemini-1614

I am not saying we need major changes at release, but as far as most Diablo 2 players are concerned, shared loot with the influx of new players is going to create a new wave of toxicity and griefing that Blizzard may just not be prepared for.

Toxicity and griefing? What? How is someone picking up a Shako faster than you toxicity and griefing? You don’t want to deal with other’s taking your loot? Make a private game to mf. 1 Player games will give you less loot yes, but that loot is all yours even if you’re slow. Either you play in an 8 player game where you get more loot but a chance of you not getting it, or you make a private game to get less loot but its 100% yours. I think the tradeoff good and it gives players a choice to make.

What really frustrates me is that you casual players that want the game to be D3 lite will quit after a month even if they listen to you, then you will say “SeE I tOlD yOu tHe gAme WoUlDnT LaSt, iT wAs OnLy A nOstAlGiA TrIp”. The casuals will quit the game after a couple weeks regardless and move on to the next big title, and the core fanbase of Diablo 2 will quit because it’s D3 lite. Leading to another failure.

You have to accept the fact that D2 and D3 are two entirely different games for different audiences. Leave the game alone.

[lemire-11264]

Seiously personal loot is a d3 thing not a d2 thing play d3 if you want personal loot

[lemire-11264]

@Whirlwind-1974

Changing it to fit modern times? Why not just go play D3 and accept that D2 is for a different audience?

Ur the man and ur 100% right !

[Thor-1358]

I hope Diablo 2 has the personal loot. I’ve always played Diablo 2 and I also know people who have the same opinion. Personal looting will prevent many fights and thefts. Not to mention the ping that gets in the way of getting the item. There’s still the character’s speed that makes it practically impossible to get to the item in time before someone else steals it from you. Personal loot won’t ruin the Diablo 2 experience at all.

[Ufos-2895]

No one wants to make this into D3, stop worrying.

I don’t think personal or shared loot has to have any impact on the trading economy, that depends on the implementation.

The problem brought up about leeching is a good one though, but depending on the implementation, it could actually reduce the amount this is happening. As pointed out, currently there is a lot of leeching in D2 because the bots want more players in their games.

A worry with shared loot is what if controllers can be used to hoover up the loot easily? Or what if controllers are terrible and they get no loot? I’m guessing most people on here don’t mind the latter, but would hate the former.

I’m still not sure why are people getting so angry about having an option to share loot fairly though. I’m definitely for it. If it’s there I’ll go back to Battle.net, if not I’ll keep playing solo.

[Lykotic-11440]

@TOPCommander-1945

D2 is designed that way, in order to survive Nightmare difficulty, you need to level up and get acceptable gear in Normal Difficulty, if you want to play Hell Difficulty, you need to farm Nightmare Difficulty and level up your character. This works as intended.

Never thought about this aspect to the Share vs. Personal Loot debate but that is a REALLY good point in my opinion. Part of what makes D2 the game that it is to me is the fact that there is a steady ramp-up and progression until it gets nullified by the MF on your main character.

This change would likely diminish if not remove it.

Edit: Again… this debate over the shared vs. personal loot to me is relatively minor in terms of enjoyment of the game to me as long as personalized loot didn’t come w/ BoA BS. As such… I don’t have a huge dog in this fight.

[hambubger-1857]

@Thor-1358

Personal loot won’t ruin the Diablo 2 experience at all.

Read an economics 101 book and then try again

[hambubger-1857]

@Ufos-2895

No one wants to make this into D3, stop worrying.

Then why is everyone demanding D2R plays just like D3?

[lemire-11264]

@Thor-1358

Personal looting will prevent many fights and thefts

First and formost if you kill ball in a ball run the loot is not theft LOL the loot is for the one that pick it the fastess … if you spawn d clone and you got ur anni “stole” its cause you made him spawn in a public game and its not stole cause of that. Nothing in diablo 2 is stolen its earned…

[Ufos-2895]

I believe you may be exaggerating.

[lemire-11264]

@hambubger-1857

Then why is everyone demanding D2R plays just like D3?

Every one demand that cause they can accept the fact that pepole can click faster then them xD in today world pepole better then you is a bad thing were not in the golden age of the internet anymore

[lemire-11264]

@Whirlwind-1974

What really frustrates me is that you casual players that want the game to be D3 lite will quit after a month even if they listen to you, then you will say “SeE I tOlD yOu tHe gAme WoUlDnT LaSt, iT wAs OnLy A nOstAlGiA TrIp”. The casuals will quit the game after a couple weeks regardless and move on to the next big title, and the core fanbase of Diablo 2 will quit because it’s D3 lite. Leading to another failure.

Ur the man my dude 100% right pepole cant handle pepole better then them and go from game to game trying to trash the game making it more easy and ruining the fundamental … i know dev will make the right choise and dont put personal loot in the game

[lemire-11264]

@Keltsat-21912

But personal loot… thats clearly balance-changing. And changing balance is breaking balance.

Thx ! we dont want shared loot in the game that’s a fact

[Whirlwind-1974]

@Thor-1358

Personal looting will prevent many fights and thefts.

@Thor-1358

before someone else steals it from you.

Fights and thefts? Stealing? You do realize that once you choose to play in a public game, the loot is no longer only yours, right? It’s everybody’s. Also, in my 20 years and 20k hours of playing the game, I have NEVER seen anyone “fight” over the loot. I’ve had plenty of Jahs/Bers/Zods in Chaos/Throne picked up by someone else before me and I got sad for 2 minutes but I moved on. You snooze you lose, and it sucks to suck, you can’t have everything you see and want.

@Thor-1358

Not to mention the ping that gets in the way of getting the item.

Get better internet.

@Thor-1358

There’s still the character’s speed that makes it practically impossible to get to the item

Teleport and high movement speed are the 2 main sources of mobility in the game, and almost every class can have them. So work towards it.

@Ufos-2895

No one wants to make this into D3, stop worrying.

Are you sure about that? Personalized loot? Account Bound items? Nerfing every item and skill to oblivion? Adding cooldowns to EVERY skill? Crying that level 99 is hard to get? Idk man, ive seen ALL these same suggestions from plenty of different people in the past few days. It sounds like D3 to me.

@Ufos-2895

I don’t think personal or shared loot has to have any impact on the trading economy, that depends on the implementation.

Are you insane? LOL

8 players in a game doing Baal, 8x different loot rolls on Baal deaths? 8x different loot rolls on Trav runs? 8x different loot rolls on Countess? That won’t effect the economy? Are you trolling?

[hambubger-1857]

@Ufos-2895

I believe you may be exaggerating.

We live in a post D3 world now you can never be too cautious

[Zemini-1614]

@hambubger-1857

@Thor-1358

Personal loot won’t ruin the Diablo 2 experience at all.

Read an economics 101 book and then try again

First learn what basic economics are and then I can refresh myself.

If you are worried about over supply of items, well that is inevitable in a game where supply will always be infinite. If Personal loot doesn’t create over abundance, then bots will. Besides, not like we cant balance loot drops for group games.

[lemire-11264]

@Whirlwind-1974

You snooze you lose, and it sucks to suck, you can’t have everything you see and want.

Yep !

@Whirlwind-1974

Get better internet.

Yep !

@Whirlwind-1974

Teleport and high movement speed are the 2 main sources of mobility in the game, and almost every class can have them. So work towards it.

Yep !

@Whirlwind-1974

Are you sure about that? Personalized loot? Account Bound items? Nerfing every item and skill to oblivion? Adding cooldowns to EVERY skill? Crying that level 99 is hard to get? Idk man, ive seen ALL these same suggestions from plenty of different people in the past few days. It sounds like D3 to me.

Yep ! and its anoying that pepole that dont actualy want D2R come here and cry for personal loot

@Whirlwind-1974

Are you insane? LOL

8 players in a game doing Baal, 8x different loot rolls on Baal deaths? 8x different loot rolls on Trav runs? 8x different loot rolls on Countess? That won’t effect the economy? Are you trolling?

yes hes insane and most pepole dont think of the implication of personal loot in D2R

@hambubger-1857

We live in a post D3 world now you can never be too cautious

Oh yes my friend they ruined d3 and wow we wont let them ruin D2R

[KaylinStar-1617]

I think I’m fine with personal loot not happening, the problem is, back then, so many people didn’t exactly have friends. Pc gaming was relatively still fresh. If you get into a group of friends or a clan or something, people can share loot with those that need it or take turns pulling things they want or whatever. If you are still playing with “randos” as it’s called, expect to have a fast trigger finger.

As for myself, I have advocated for the quality of this game since 2003, but I don’t have any friends to this day that have played it, yet alone been a fan who would continue to play. I’m hoping to find friends I can work with while out battling the hordes of demons and monsters. Bringing new people to the game (due to the servers and visuals being updated for modern systems) is one of the best things about this project.

[hambubger-1857]

@lemire-11264

Oh yes my friend they ruined d3 and wow we wont let them ruin D2R

They really are trying aren’t they lol