I advocated for a barb Nerf of lamentation from 200% to 100% - not zero.
Give lamentation 100% flat rend or 100-150%. Nixing it all together is the wrong move - both gameplay wise and community wise.
If blizzards dev team took any player feedback for the nerfs and came to this conclusion as the best choice than I am sincerely regretful that I tried to give constructive feedback and will not do so in the future.
It wasn’t an opinion or anything, I asked a question and he answered, my question “was there any other items that were changed?”, it was only a simple answer, no meaning behind it.
I’m very new to the game, started investing in a WW Barb because it’s cool to play and felt sad when I realized my class has just always been weak. Thought I was in luck after seeing PTR, but I guess it was too good to be true. Sign me up on this one.
Just think, some of us have been waiting the better part of a decade for a fun and strong Barb WW build.
Honestly I would have given up on the game.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
As I said before, that player just did a 145 with a Wizard. So, no, this adjustment is not being done with that in mind. That very player wouldn’t see reason in adjusting the belt down either. So, who would rationally think that this needs to be toned down if the very player who is clearing 145s and so on with classes and is one of the top D3 players in the world at the high end does not think so?
PLS DO NOT NERF BARBS there is no valid base to do that.
Barb was always my first char in all Diablo series. Started D1 at 26 years of age.
Around 11 seasons ago I was so disappointed with unbalanced Barb and switched to DH. It felt like magic, strong and durable (S6-Impale).
Can I experience the same coming back to Barb in coming season?
I know you don’t care about normal players, BUT please do not base your nerfs on 1% elite players or streamers having no idea about Barb class.
There are many very dedicated players in Barb community who have the knowledge about balance, hear them.
I support the OP in this thread. The lamentation buff adjustment is not accurate and needs to be revised.
Some people need to stop using the phrase ‘It’s a small nerf’ when applying it to the Lamentation. From 200% to 0% is NOT small. 5% or 10% is small.
100% if they really MUST nerf at all, is NOT unreasonable.
Gets my vote totally.
I’m assuming we’ll never see it, but I’d like a real explanation for the nerf from Blizz. Free took the time as have many others in other threads crunching numbers, giving hard date as to why there should NOT be a nerf. So, Blizz, do the right thing – give us hard data/reasons why you chose to not just nerf, but completely torpedo Rend.
EDIT – just thought of something more. Without a doubt whirlwinding/rending on the PTR was brainless. I mean, come on. So, if Blizz is trying to equate ultimate PTR ceilings with build difficulties, I can sort of get behind that. I mean, I’ve tried other classes and builds and they’re way harder than holding down the right mouse button to simply WW and that’s it. But, I simply do not know if that is what they are thinking – that harder builds “deserve” to be rewarded more.
https://imgur.com/a/u3P9H2Z
Somebody in Asia did a 147 yesterday. Before the usual suspects jump in and claim that build is getting nerfed, I wanna say they had their fun. Why take away barb’s chance to play at a high level?
I remember when the chantodo set was first revised to 4000% with APS scaling on PTR, people were crying OP. The devs left it alone and released it to live anyways. Why not do the same for barbs? Let it go live for 1 or 2 seasons, then make any adjustments if necessary? Why the double standard here?
Sure for speeds where you are clearly out dps the content…it’s a really simple build. Pushing WW is no where near, hold one button down. The grouping, managing you CDs, and trying not to die, especially builds that don’t use BoM. It’s not at all a simple build when it comes to performing it at the highest levels. I’m not saying it’s the most difficult, but certainly not hold mouse down = profit 
That is a necromancer. Was s/he using a thorns build that is getting nerfed?
Here is a more comprehensive image of the non-season leaderboard.
Another case of the empty vessels making the most noise, and Blizz fell for it.
Good job.
I just CCed my thread in Reddit.
Added link to this thread to increase visibility.
This was the first time I was excited to play Barb since season 4. It’ll be a great shame if the nerf goes live.
It didn’t even make Barb the strongest class. But they’d be strong for a chance. Something they’ve desperately needed for years.
Barbs have the lowest clear IN THE WORLD right now. If we don’t get Lamentation back, that difference in GR’s will only get worse as Monk got a buff this PTR.
www.diablo3ladder.com/leaderboards/normal_rifts.html#toladder
I’m a DH only player and I support barbs with all my heart. Why? Maybe because I started playing D3 from day 1 with a barb and have over 2000 hours 1330 hours with that class.
Stopped playing, because I just couldn’t bare the huge damage difference between other classes.
I really admire all the barbs who stick with barbs through all the years even though they’re the worst DPS class in completing the highiest GRs, yet trying hard to work together to make the class better and never ask for any nerfs to other classes at least I hope so 
I completely agree with Free, but settling for even 100% is not enough. If Devs don’t want to give barbs a 200% than give them at least 150%. This would be more than fair.
I also agree that one player with over 10500 paragon and “godly” items shouldn’t be considered as an example to nerf anything at all…
Nerfing barbs who has been neglected and ignored all this years won’t definately increase the hype for D4 either, cause many players might think twice if they want to buy a game where their favourite class might be nerfed to the ground, because players with no experience with that class say so…
Work for each others benfit, don’t take pleasure from ruining the fun for other classes, just because you can’t play with this class, don’t like it or fear it could surpass your favourite class in clearing the highiest GRs in game by even 3 or 4 GRs…
Even if Barb would take the place in META as the damage dealing class the world won’t end and honestly they deserved it after serving as only support classes for all these years…
If barbs want to be heard they should speak up on Youtube about their concerns and how to make barbs great again.
The best solution would be at least in my opinion if Free made a video on youtube about the lamentation nerf and how it serves no purpose other than leaving barbs in the same spot they were before.
Same with adding more buffs to items like Remorseless or Fjord Cuter and other supporting barbs legendaries that might help create new great builds capable of pushing highiest GRs in game (135-140 GR) with more than just ONE build. At least two would be enough…
That’s just my 2 cents. I hope barbs get what they deserve and that their loyalty to a class that was constantly ignored will be rewarded.
Those posters had nothing to do with it, the developers saw someone clear a GR140 and overreacted.
The Devs said they are listening to well thought out posts, Free among others have laid out for them why this is wrong. The Devs said they will be more vocal, but admitted they would be busy heading into Blizzcon. This is understandable but now the Con is over. So who is the Elephant?
The Elephant in the room is the Classic Dev Team. They need to respond to this well laid out post, and if they disagree, give reasons why! If they do not, I am afraid there is little hope left for this game to clean up the lack of balance.
Based on this nerf, they believe the build can do a GR145-147 solo if 140 is their true balance point, which I think is completely outrageous!
I expected a 2-3 GR nerf given Blizzard’s attempt to lower Wizard/Necromancer solo performance by 3-5 GRs.
Giving a 7+ nerf though is just so shocking and completely caught me off guard.
What makes the most sense for me is Lamentation to have a minimum of 100% Rend damage bonus. Whether it be 100-125% or 100-150%, completely removing the damage mod just moves Whirlwind centric builds up a few GRs at best from 2.6.6 I hope that wasn’t the intention of buffing Rend, just to improve it a few GRs.
