Do any other Barbs feel the way I do?
WW Rend Barb nerf from PTR = S19 for all other classes.
It needs nerfed…slightly.
I feel that they have been neglected for many years
Not quite but it would sure tick me off!
Anyone calling for WW Barbs to be nerfed has absolutely NO idea what they’re talking about. WW Barb is high tier at best. There are other builds and other classes that are far better. I still don’t understand how you can all so blindly say to nerf WW when it consistently was and STILL IS middle of the pack.
Here is my reason I posted in another post for a slight nerf to the Barb from PTR.
It has nothing to do with how far the build can go…it is its insane power meaning all seasonal players who want to compete have one build that is far better than the rest for gem ups and paragon at the start of a season.
I will play barbarian next season if the power of ww/rend barb is with 2-3 grifts of what is was on the PTR.
You claim that there are other classes that are far better than the PTR ww/rend barb. Wizards are OP currently (and being nerfed) so that is one possible (albeit unlikely) class. What is the second class that you think is far better than the PTR barb in solo power, since you said classes (plural)?
Did it actually get nerfed or are you trying to jinx it?
True, coming from a sub 1000P player. In fact you need to further buff WW some more. Am I right or am I right?
“Spin to win” is not an argument.
You could say that type of vapid statement for almost any other build and class.
Archon mage: “Cast Archon and Walk around”
DH: “Vault and click”
etc. etc.
Just because you don’t like a playstyle doesn’t mean it needs to be nerfed.
Can’t nerf something that hasn’t gone live yet, just sayin.
Of course it is…Vyr’s was cast Archon and walk and do a GR100 with low LG’s and gear thrown together and everyone was then running a Vyr’s. That is why it got nerfed.
WW Rend Barb is exactly the same, easy to gear for and will do a GR100 easy with low paragon, LG’s and gear thrown together…meaning everyone will run a barb just for paragon and gemups.
There is zerto point in nerfing Vyr’s but replacing it with PTR barb.
There is NO reason to change ANYTHING on ANY of the barb modifications. First reason is Blizzard/Activision should have decided ALREADY how powerful to make it, which they did. Second reason is DH, Wizard, Crusader, Necro all are buffed. The only reason anyone plays barb now is for zBarb. BARBS NEED SOME LOVE!!!
Blizzard frequently adjust numbers versus the initial PTR. Blizzard even indicated that they sometimes use inflated numbers on the PTR to get more players checking a particular class/build/item for bugs/unintended interactions.
Also if you exclude ww/rend, some in the barb community definitely want the numbers to change on other supporting legendaries that they feel are not strong enough.
PTR = testing = not necessarily final
The people that are asking for Barb nerfs are the ones that do not play barb and do not like the class. I personally do not like the class as it is an old man and a woman that is fat and looks like she has Type 2 Diabetes. I have played the Barb in the PTR and have to admit that it was a fun class to play. Do I feel it should have a nerf, absolutely not! It is on par with the top builds now and actually puts the barb right up there with the Wiz. I may play the barb next season and give it a try, but definitely not if they nerf it, what is the point? the barb wont be able to compete with the top 3 (Wiz, DH, Necro), if it gets nerfed.
I’d be more concerned about S19’s broken theme.
Barbarians are getting a buff in the next patch no matter how you look at it.
Hopefully they’ll leave the WhirlRend updates as is from the PTR. And hopefully they’ll buff Remorseless and Fjord Cutter a little bit further.
Either way, Barbarians will be stronger in 2.6.7 than they were in 2.6.6.
There’s no need for PTR WW/Rend to not go live as is. We’re not going to have players in Season pushing with 7k, 8k, 10k paragon.
While I don’t expect any sort of nerfs to Barbarians, what are the chances of some hardcore 6-7k plvl Wizard player to play Barbarian just because they are buffed now? 0%? Irrelevant?
You obviously didn’t play the PTR, or if you did you neglected to test the new sets if you think that the PTR numbers were well thought out. First off, the two classes they wanted to focus on got sets that, if rolled out as is, would be some of the most underwhelming and underperforming sets. Second, necro got a huge, albeit well deserved, nerf and the wiz got another well deserved nerf, though of smaller consequence than the necros. Thirdly, what buffs did the crusader or dh get? Not saying they do or don’t need buffs - I’ve never played a DH so I have no idea, but I don’t recall them being effected by this ptr at all. Patch 2.6.6 have LoN and captain crimsons sets which helps those classes, is that what you’re referring to?
In any case the barb needs major buffs - this is clear. If you look at the bottom 900-1000 for classes on the season leader board the necro and barb both sit at 100 gr, however the necro time to complete is like 2:30 minutes whereas the barb is like 8 or 9 minutes, which is a huge power disparity. The bottom 1k for wiz is gr 120, which as comparison would be top 40 for necro last I checked and probably even higher for barb. Pretty crazy power disparity there for average players to deal with between all 3 classes.
The new changes to ww-rend are for the most part really good in my opinion in that at least ww feels better to play and is more powerful. Maybe just slightly too powerful. The only Nerf to this build that I want to go live is lamentation from 200% to 100%. Boom, still a great build that will be good for bounties, pushing, and farming, but won’t be “over powered” and the bottom 1k on the barb seasonal leaderboards will still be at like 110 gr, which seems pretty healthy to me.
Barbs need love. We all agree. New ww build feels pretty good. But simply because the barb was neglected for awhile doesn’t mean that it needs to be boosted so extravagantly and “deserve to be OP”. And when my suggestion regarding lamentation, which many others have suggested as a compromise, the barb would still roll out extremely powerful in season 19, especially since the kill streak bonus is pretty well suited for the ww play style.
Or don’t nerf it. Classes complete amongst their own class, not against each other. If the changes from ptr go live then the barb leader board will at least be very competitive.
I dont mind if they lower the dmg multiplier, but please, do not change how it plays, because the set bonus at last makes it that much more usable and smooth, gameplay wise. Theres time to tune the numbers if it ends being too weak again, but at least Ill have a lot of fun while playing it.