Where were you with the numbers when Wizard and Necros were better than even Barbarian on this ptr?
2 classes have reigned for seasons now and you were no where to be found, only a measly small numbers of posts from you…
So where were you then?
You have stated this over and over again :
“I want buffs for Barbarians”. And then proceed with “but we need to nerf them”.
As others have pointed out, you only arrive to stur up stuff to get points for your profile on this forum.
You even highlighted the numbers of different posts you have made as “stats”. Soon we will see you link to a picture that shows you have made a paint figure with those stats and wearing gear, like staff of numbers…
Seriously. Enough is enough.
You were proven multiple times that you didn’t knew what you talked about from people knowing a whole lot more.
As others have mentioned, I suggest nobody here feeds to your comments at all, cause if nobody did. And if nobody read your contradicting, misguided comments. Then you would have no one to pump in those forum posts numbers to.
And me neither. From now on, if I see fit, I will flag your posts.
And just to finish this off, you finish your comment with “barbs will be in the top 2 in terms of power”, which means you know there could be another one at the same level.
Why don’t you go bother that class forum site?
Where are your numbers for that class?
Where were your numbers from Wizard and Necro these past seasons, when they did more than the Barb on the ptr is doing?..
All you do is nag nag nag at Barbarians. Never seen you so dedicated for other classes at all.
And don’t forget: you apparently like comparing classes…
So again, Wizards doing 140s, Necros as well… No numbers there… When Barbarians started talking about what they wish for and what was reasonable, you then came to life…
I pointed out the problems then and after the buffs went live. I suspect that you just notice my posts more since it may or may not have relevance to your favorite class at the current juncture.
Let’s be honest. Blizzard is not going to make ant decision based on what I post. Blizzard has all the game data that I post. I just make it easier for others to see it for forum members without having to search diablo3ladder and in game data.
Could you please quote a post where I ever made that argument? To the best of my recollection, I have not said any such thing or implied it. I have made post wondering about the extent of the barb buff if it enters the OP range.
It kind of sucks when their are overpowered classes. I main a DH but it wasn’t fair back in RoS Season 1 & 2 that the marauder build was too strong. Even back then with my favorite class at the time, I was okay with the nerf.
I am vague because I realize the limitations in the data. The reason I say top 2 relates to how severe will be the nerf to wizards. This class by almost everyone’s assessment is a clear outlier in terms of power in the current live era.
If you check, I have created a thread to ask for recommendations on how to buff other classes so that there would be greater diversity in which classes can be zDPS/supports in groups. It would be nice to have more versatility in support, RGK, and trash killer roles. Again, my views are very consistent.
Blizzard says they want balance. This means EVERY class gets the same level of DMG across the board is how many people read that.
I’d rather see the ‘soon-to-be’ 5x sets in each class all kickass than have 35 green sets that have all been nerfed.
I do not think we are too dissimilar in that concept.
Unfortunately, monks (and crusaders) already got their new 6-piece set and supporting legendaries. In the case of monks (a weak class in terms of solo DPS), the new set will not help unless there is a significant buff.
I tried, when you hid your public profile it doesn’t allow me to check your post history either. Not sure why you’d hide your profile and it makes me want to taunt you a little on basic principle, but I won’t.
The reason we don’t have that diversity is because of nerfs to ‘outliers’ in the past. The exact thing you’re arguing for and against here by saying you want more zdps options (buffs) and less dps options (barb nerf) for the 140 range in solo play.
Please pick a lane, you’re anything but consistent.
No argument. I think they may have taken a different tack this time if the two newer sets are any indication.
At first I thought they were ‘under-testing’ them at too low a level.
Now, I am not so sure. I think they are being more careful not to overpower them and using the logic that it is easier to increase their damage than to distance the players by over-buffing, followed by nerfing. I may be wrong, but I will wait and see,
I am sorry that you do not know how to view people’s post history or profile. This can be easily done for anyone on the forum if you mouse over their name to see their battletag.
I linked the thread in question.
To see anyone’s post history, irrespective of their decision to protect persoanl information for their activity:
Click the magnifying glass/search icon. Enter: Batteltag
My battle tag is @MicroRNA-1507
I am not hiding my post history.
I can not even see my own profile at the moment due to a problem with the website. When they get the website working properly, just go to your profile and replace your battletag with mine in the web address. You can see all my characters/career.
FYI: Of the first 11 people to earn TL3 at day 51 and beyond, 6 of the 11 have set their profiles to private including myself. This ratio has held fairly constant to this day relative to Trust Level 3 posters. I suspect that has to with the initial requirement to read 20,000 posts that you had to do to earn TL3.
Don’t bite into it.
He is imo. a troll.
Sat for days arguing against people knowing more than him.
He was so proud of his “comparing classes”, yet never wrote anything so comprehensive against Wizards or Necros when they clear higher than Barbarians on ptr.
And yeah, there is a reason why his profile is hidden.
That’s why I recommend people not replying to him anymore.
He contradicts himself and talks about stuff he was so wrong with a lot of the time. Not worth it.
I know what he is, I’ve seen and debated him in General a few times. I’m actually baiting the troll to show the logical fallacy of his/her posts to other readers, and it seems to be having the desired effect. : D
I saw the charts here and in the barb forum, they don’t actually prove anything other than WW being on par with the better options other classes have. About bloody time as well, and that’s coming from a Crusader main (me).
That being said I’m really hoping this goes live as is, WW looks like a lot of fun again.
By this you of course mean give any other person the chance to spot bias by virtue of class selection OR lack of knowledge based on not having one of the class in question to test for oneself on the ptr. There are other reasons people hide profile, but none of them are anything more than counter argument prevention in discussions such as these. You aren’t protecting anything, if someone wants to DOX/Hack you they can do it regardless of your profile being public or private.
Jay you post some informative things that help the community. In saying that so does Micro.
It’s fine not to like each other. This happens on any forum.
But neither of you are fools or trolls because you stay on topic. If anything, I more often resemble that albeit unintentionally if I go off on a tangent. With that, I will claim senior moments.
I enjoy both of your postings.
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No class should be OP because they suffered weak performance for years. It’s just bad for the game. It gives little incentive to play anything else and makes for monotony – which is exactly why there was an outcry for balance and some reactive buffs and nerfs.
When people say they want ‘new meta’, they don’t want 1 more Bazooka capable trash clearer – they want options, several dozen group compositions that can perform at high level. We still have an outlier that disincentifies players from maining other trash clearing builds in competitive group play.
Based on how infrequent change occurs (4 times a year) and the current power gap (18GRs in group to each class’ best trash clearer) – the devs really need to get it right and neuter that outlier so the target power for future PTRs builds is crystal clear. Are we balancing these builds against Bazooka in group, or are we balancing them against everything else? – who really knows, but i think inconsistent expectations are causing conflicting feedback.
Which brings me to the WW Rend build:
It’s great to see D3’s most committed players able to take the barbarian flagship build to new heights. I look forward to inviting playing with friends who main barbs and experiencing synergies – and trying them out myself. But this is the PTR and we know the actual ceiling will increase once someone invests 500+ keys into the build after weeks of practice.
As I’ve shared, i’m in the mindset that Bazooka is the outlier and should be toned down for the sake of the game, it’s variety and longevity. I stand by this – and I hope that all builds being worked on, including WW Rend, can have their target solo cap somewhere between GR135-140.
If you don’t know anything about Rna you should know this:
He was debatting a lot about the Barbarian class. Came with numbers and “facts” that simply were not true. Did not admit he was mistaken. He argued against players having more knowledge about the class than himself.
He continued to say “I am on your side, buff Barbarians”, while showing numbers and actually writing “Barbarians are not that bad”.
Now he advocates for buffing Barbarians, while saying “nerf them”.
He was no where to be found when Wizards and Necros ruled for seasons. The same classes doing better still that Barbarian is doing on the ptr.
He wrote about “I compare classes” and showed numbers for it. Yet with a VERY small amount, compared to his post record, advocated for nerfing Wizards and Necros.
He came along to level up on this forum. Now he keeps going cause new things came along for Barbarians ( finally ), still on the same deal with “buff them but nerf them!”…
There is a reason why his profile is hidden.
And by your definition: he is a troll.
He was proven wrong multiple times, still hold onto his opinions, when proven wrong.
He often goes off topic to say something else.
No Barbarian, neither me have ever said other classes should not be allowed to do the same.
But look at the facts:
Wizard, Necro have both reigned for seasons now. Cleared even a bit higher than Barbarians have shown on the ptr.
I can ask you the same thing.
When Wizard and Necro were levels above all other classes, where were you?
So it’s alright for those 2 classes to stay on top for several seasons, but when Barbarians finally got something for them other than zdps, it is a big phat no?..
The topic of this thread is the barb buffs in 2.6.7. I will reiterate: I think the barb buff to WW/rend is nice but I do not want it to be overpowered relative to other classes. I am not sure if this build will be OP or not.
Did George H. Bush use the word “Strategery” first? The answer is no. SNL was the first to use it and after time even he thought that he used it first and Lorne Michael had to correct the former President.
Do you know Carl Sagan never said “billions and billions” in Cosmos and again it was SNL who did in one of their sketched.
The reason I bring this up is that your are misrembering who said what. The quote that you attribute to me does not exist. If you want to claim something is a direct quote, you can verify it using the method use to search an individuals post history.
That whole “not that bad” was said by somebody else in response to my historical comparison of era/seasonal greater rift clears to correct the misconception that barbs are the weakest solo DPS class for the past 3 years. Even Prokhan, a trusted “barb” comfirmed that barbs were not the worst class for the past three years.
I agree with Windigo this thread had strayed and I’ll work on getting it back on topic. Free wanted this post to stay at the top of the PTR feedback forum, so in that respect I am helping him/her.
What does this even mean? If you are referring to the misperception that you need to make lots of posts to be trust level 3, then the facts are as follows:
You only need to create 10 post that receive 20 likes total. That’s in relation to your own posts. The only thing that was limiting for TL3 early on was time (reaching day 51 and the need to read 20,000 post that happened way earlier than day 51. Information is key not to fall into a conspiracy theory/
I was going to give some feed back to the WW Rend build but this
topic has been totally hijacked for the last 25 reply’s or so, someone might have to start a new Topic to get back on track again.
Good luck, Catch you latter.
Ok, I respect that this might very well be your experience.
I am pretty straight-up. I am also old-school. I treat people the way they treat me.
You, Jay, Micro, Celtic TW and many others more knowledgeable than me, even though I have been playing this since Diablo 1, have treated me with a modicum of respect and I try to do the same. Some of you people have exceptional mechanics and math skills that you have alll shared.
I would hope you would feel the same when I say, that until someone treats me poorly or gives me reason for concern, I will continue to treat others how I would like to be treated myself. Additionally, I make no judgement on something or anyone, that I have not directly experienced myself even though others may have. Even then should I experience it, being old school, I’d probably place it in the “I’m too old for this…” bin.
I was just passing info onto you, so you know what you are dealing with.
Many others on the Barbarian forum section knows about this. You can see him on there, arguing against others knowing a lot more than him. Even tried to explain it to him multiple times.
Were proven wrong and still was hung up about his opinions.
Sure you can have your opinions, but when they are flat out wrong, you should also admit to it.
It is also a known fact that when rna leveled up on this forum he was no where to be found just until recently, beginning again with Barbarians.
He never really put much work into talking about other classes or the fact that 2 of them were too Op more than 1 season by now.
And that is just hypocritical. Coming to Barbarian posts only, just to say “buff them, no wait, nerf them!”… Pulling up numbers and making multiple comments while doing nothing on the rest of the classes.
He defended himself with “I want balance between all classes”. But if you go read on the Barbarian forum, you can see him a lot, while on all the other classes he is missing.
That is not a sign from a “I want balance for all classes”. That is someone trolling around or having a grudge towards Barbarian veterans.
They already nerfed Chantodo, which is proof that the game developers had issue with it reaching GR144 in solo.
Many builds can get to GR135-140 level solo:
N6 Rapid Fire
LoD Rapid Fire
LoD Blessed Shield
LoD Condemn
Invoker
Vyrs Chantodo (post nerf)
Zuni Darts
Jade Harvester
… i am sure there are more …
There are several that are very close, R6 Gen, LoD Darts (probably can do GR135+), S6 Impale, Hammerdin, etc. And unfortunately we don’t have good data on them because those classes have other good choices.
Regarding the ‘where was i’ comment – i didn’t play Thorns or Star Pact out of principle. I stuck with 2 classes that I enjoyed and played M6 Multishot, N6M4, S6 Impale, Akkhan’s Heavens’ Fury and LoD Blessed Shield. On occasion I do meta play with zChars, but the game is a lot more interesting for me outside of the tried and true meta.
