Does anyone want to point Zahir to the map of the Kaldorei Empire? Where they clearly steamrolled a few troll tribes to make way for their own cities?
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yeah, and we know exactly how the expansion was goingâŚit was descripted hin detailâŚ
And massacring a group of people is called what now?
You know the answer to that question I hope.
And yes Azhsara got BORED of killing the trolls because they were considered beneath her. Which you knowâŚ.implies she was genociding any tribes that got in her way for a while there.
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Obviously something happened â it was a war and Azshara isnât the reasonable master of gentle subtle persausion.
Most of the details of how it went down, the involvement of any given night elf, and how many war crimes Oculeth absolutely may or may not have committed is in the land of speculation, though.
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Iâve been pondering this some recently. While that might of been her public stance, I am wondering now if she was wary of encroaching too close to the Dragon Kingdom, as even for her the aspects at the height of their power would of been dangerous to provoke. So, she elected to use the troll empires as a buffer between her and the dragons, and made a peace agreement to save face on her side.
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Thatâs certainly a real possibility actually. We know she was terrified of Mount Hyjal and the Wild Gods. Could be she also wanted a buffer between her empire and the Aspects also
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she got bored very very quicklyâŚâafter a few battlesââŚa few means not alot.
Go look at the map of the Kaldorei Empire and stop being soo ignorant on this. It was a lot more than a Few Battles
Again sticking your nose into lore you know nothing about
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After a few battle azshara lost interest to beat the trolls down, she considered this uncivilized and under her âŚdignity, so she went to the zandalari and threated them âŚin exchange to allow the holy mountain and zandalar in her nameâŚthey have to hold their race in checkâŚ
and then the night elfs could freely expanded their empire.
you know nothing micahâŚagain
Stop lying and go look at the map of the Kaldore Empire
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I mean, itâs Azshara. A few rounds of âturn everyone to ghosts who can never leave this mortal coilâ could lead to ceding a lot of turf relatively bloodlesslyâŚ
Or Oculeth bombarding cities with night elf criminals consigned to wither.
We really donât know. Thereâs not much lore on the time, so everyone can (and is) interpret what we do have to suit their favored point of view.
A lot of the Kaldorei empireâs early expansion was likely into unclaimed regions in the east, but in the later stages of development they ran right into the troll empires and began mulching them. Magecraft was a new technology for Azerothian mortals back then, and was not something the trolls had a counter for, meaning they did not do so hot in any engagement vs the ancient Kaldorei.
It was classic empire vs empire, the guy with the better technology wins. That is another reason I think she avoided head on conflict with the Dragons and the Keepers in how she expanded. They had and were arguably equally adept with Magecraft vs. the Highborne.
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To be fair, the trolls did single handily break the Qiraji empire into the several smaller kingdoms we know today. I would argue that magic wasnât something new or unfamiliar to trolls.
What likely WAS unfamiliar to the trolls was that the Well of Eternity was empowering the Kaldorei spells to do things those spells normally wouldnât be able to do by themselves 
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reading is not your skill ,eh? A map says nothing without contextâŚa map don´t explain you the events that leads to this display of landâŚ
so, here, please read it and stop beliefing trengs liesâŚthe night elfs fought here and there against the trolls, but there were small in scale, the battles were not intense and the night elf didn´t genocide them back then.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739539695578382398/1004867793499472052/unknown.png
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Oh, no, they knew magic, but not the sort you see mages flinging about that goes âI define physicsâ. While Troll magical techniques were powerful, they were not of the kind Azashara and her ilk was wielding, Magecraft was a new threat to the trollsâThe Qiraji would of been most likely using void/shadow magics, which of course operate off different principles and are best in the theater of the mind.
Now we know it did not /stay/ that was, as the trolls advanced a few aspects of arcane-based magical technology beyond what the Kaldorei did in the centuries after the sunderingâEnchantment of weapons and armor being the big standout, to the point the Quelâdorei stole troll knowledge and renamed it as if to pretend they knew how to do so all along.
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Itâs always nice to have a citation.
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you know that the high elves lost a huge amount of knowledge aswell? We know there were powerfull enchantments there, 10.000 years ago, so powerfull that they litteraly could control the ocean of the worldâŚthis enchantment was used by xavius (used it on Azsharas Scepter), or FeloâMelorn. This one story didn´t count toward the empire 10.000 years ago but was a sentence about the high elfs that lost a lot of knowledge from earlier. i mean, compare this, dathâRemar was able to enchant the entire eversongforest to be a land of eternal spring, later on the helves didn´t even know how to reproduce this enchantment.
The difference was that the highborne didn´t share their knowledge to each other but stand in competition to keep their secrets to gain more influence and power at the courage of azshara and azsharas attention and grace.
i know, its really âŚreleasingâŚ
Of course I do, much has been lost by modern High/Blood elves. It is one of the reasons the idea they live more than a couple of thousand years is silly. It takes a two/three generations to forget stuff.
However they also have innovated themselves. That is why (after getting mad at the hypocrisy) they now find the modern Kaldorei mages cute. The Shenâdralar use many hopelessly antiquated techniques with well known exploits, and that is what the Kaldorei have largely been taught.
I can imagine - since mana was never a problem 10.000 years ago - that the SPells of the Highborne are neither very efficient nor adapted to the situation where mana is no longer infinite.
But that a trained mage had defeated the students of the Highborne is somehow a weak argument, I mean, we never saw the fight between a real ShenâDralar and a blood elf, that in Azshara were the students of the ShenâDralarâŚvs trained mages, somehow not quite fair, donât you think?