I absolutely agree 100%. I, too, would much prefer single realm BG’s.
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I actually have higher hope for this than for 1.5-1.7 AV. All this requires is Blizzard not adding a technology that may not even be needed.
And this thread has grown silly. These people saying bgs without cross-realm isn’t authentic Vanilla. Bgs existed in Vanilla for like 18 months, 14 of which was before cross-realm was added. So how can people say a feature that was around for about 78% of that period isn’t authentic Vanilla? It’s time to just chuckle and move on.
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I understand where you’re coming from with the community and reputation aspects. Obviously smaller, closed systems meant that you’re more likely to know your opponents or allies, but without name changes or faction transfers, you’ll probably still come to know your opponents even if they’re from another realm.
You’ll probably just have a lot more to choose from, which is just fine, because you probably didn’t (and likely never would) know most of the people in your BG, even before cross-realm BGs. You’d probably recognize a couple particularly popular players, or maybe a guild.
As for “experience,” part of the vanilla experience included cross-realm BGs, so throw that nonsense out the window, please.
Not a single RPG element is ruined by cross-realm BGs, either, so I have no idea what the hell you mean by that.
Agreed. I don’t want to pick and choose which parts of each patch I liked, and more important, I don’t want Blizzard making that decision.
I’d rather take one patch with all the good and the bad.
Disagree.
The point is to offer the 1.12 experience. As Blizzard described it, the most complete version of vanilla WoW.
… exactly.
The fact that Blizzard said they’re using 1.12 for Classic.
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I remember Vanilla before cross-realm BGs. It was annoying waiting for HOURS to get in. I was extremely happy when we got cross-realms BGs. I hope we have them in Classic… especially since they were in 1.12.
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No one cares how long it existed without cross realms.
Blizzard didn’t say they are using any of those versions. They said 1.12.
Would it be great for no cross realms? Yes. But blizzard said they were looking at this thing for being there for ten years.
Ten years…
Faction imbalances will happen. People will leave. Heck people will leave after a few weeks. People will switch between BFA and Classic. That’s a reality. It will be a change whether people like it or not.
Populations on many of the servers won’t be steady. So your queue times may be bad. And when people get home from work and can play for three hours. They can thank the folks in this thread because they had to spend one hour in queue for a ten minute game. And then another hour for another game.
Also a funny thing happened to me. I was spamming BGs this weekend on retail. I was healing. People remembered me in various BGs because I talked in the chat. They said I was from their last BG. But I guess cross realm BGs are just random people every time and you never meet anyone.
Reread your quote. You can’t just state IMO and then say “classic mindsets” That is speaking for others. And you can’t do that.
I only asked which xpacks because you sure don’t seem to have a high opinion of anyone who has played live. Even so far to use derogatory terms simply because they dare challenge your thoughts. That and I have NEVER heard you speak kindly toward it. Thats all.
Modern platforms and some slight conveniences (SLIGHT) does not make a person a bad person. Nor does it diminish Classic. And some of us have put thought into how we feel.
Everyone’s feeling and opinions have merit.
Yours do as well as mine.
It just seems you and Mogar don’t want to consider our feelings and opinions for fear of being wrong or having something taken away from you. I for one do not want ANYTHING taken from you man. We just need to stand together is how I see it… and this is not standing together.
There already are. You can’t take that back. That is what I am referring to.
The reason why x-realm BGs were added is because the rankers were already done by 1.12 and there was no one queing because there was no need to pvp non-stop. I don’t see x-realm bgs happening at launch but unless there is more incentive to PvP again, X-realms BGs will be needed 2 years down the line.
Do we know what cross-realm will even mean? All realms together, or 4 to 5 realms together?
Thats a really good question. I would like 4-5 realm battlegroups. I would not like all realms crossing.
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I care. . . . . . . . .
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Even Blizzard acknowledges that Classic and retail are two different games.
I have stated many times that those two games each appeal to a different mindset, IMO. I have also stated that my opinion is that a very small percentage of players can appreciate each game for what it IS and not whatvthey want it to be.
There are at least a couple of days we can we can see apparent evidence of that. First, we have the players that quit at some point in the past and are no longer playing because they do not like the direction that retail went and what retail has become. Additionally, we can see the numbers of retail players that seem unwilling to give up the conveniences they have come to expect from retail and want to change Classic by pushing for the inclusion of some, or many, of those conveniences.
I do not “hate” everyone that plays retail. I do, however, have much disdain for those that have a retail, convenience oriented mindset and who cannot accept Classic for what it IS without trying to change it into what they want it to be.
There are more than a few posters on these forums that play retail but also appreciate Classic for what it IS and want to preserve what it IS.
TLDR: There is a difference between a retail player and a player with a retail, convenience oriented mindset.
But no one is trying to change anything. I’m not here advocating for changes.
I’m advocating for a vanilla feature to be included in this vanilla recreation.
It took a while but… yes… I conquer completely.
One small point. There are variations of grey in that scale also. Not just the two extremes.
And to those Convenience Retail people I also say the same thing. That just because the #nochangers seem to not want to budge does not mean they don’t have a valid point.
I suppose that is when I get frustrated at seeing the discussion go away from the topic to side issues. And I know I am not innocent.
They’re already doing that with garbage like loot trading, automated reporting or removal of exploration.
None of it is for the best though, the contrary.
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Whats the removal of exploration you reference? I missed that one
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Wall jumping and such are gone.
I am also here advocating for a vanilla feature to be included in this vanilla recreation.
Why not just modify the algorithm instead of removing crossrealm from 1.12 existence. After 5 minutes in que try crossrealm que otherwise try for local. No reason for half of us to waste hours in que. Maybe even make a checkbox that says “local que only” so the try hards can be happy and wait hours, happily. I ain’t got time for that nonsense anymore, and I don’t even have a life. I want 1.12 as it was, as promised. That includes not waiting two hours in que.
I don’t think you could have any more clearly said that you haven’t played a significant amount of BGs, at least in the past few years, than that quoted statement shows.
Because people have no incentive to try (because they lack the social consequence for failing to do so), the overall play level of players deteriorates substantially.
You don’t fix population concerns by ignoring them with Xrealm tech. You fix them by actually addressing them… If anything, Xrealm tech for bgs only makes population concerns significantly worse as it promotes faction stacking on realms… you can see the live game as a perfect example of that garbage… Horde Queu times with xrealm tech right now are triple what they where for my well balanced realm in vanilla.
Again, then you address population problems, rather than cowering behind Xrealm tech
No, you’re advocating for a system that was expressly designed and implemented in anticipation of a TBC era PvP system, that just happened to be beta tested during Vanilla.
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