It was BWL…so many top guilds xfered servers to avoid the lag Boss in BWL.
Were they in vanilla? Yes.
Therefore they should be in Classic.
How I feel about that is inconsequential. #nochanges.
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If it wasn’t in Vanilla, don’t add it to Classic. How hard is it for these people to realize we don’t want retail in the old world, we want Vanilla. Go play BfA if you want these features that came later and stop trying to ruin what we’ve been wanting for over a decade.
I think the debate is more about the fact that it was only in vanilla a short time before TBC. People didnt get to use it much so they are debating if it was actually a part of vanilla 
BGs are pointless and not fun like that. Perhaps it made sense in TBC+ since BGs were turned into mindless farming grounds for vendor PvP gear but it doesn’t in vanilla.
However, it was a part of vanilla. So it should be in classic right?
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They will have to do cross realm bgs or ques literally won’t pop at say 3am, especially for regions like oceanic. Vanilla had like 8 million subs classic wont even have a quarter of that
There are multiple things which weren’t a part of vanilla being added, and those that were, being removed. They aren’t aiming for a carbon copy.
Also, cross server BGs only existed for a very short time frame and did no good.
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I love all these salty people that wanted to balance classes or change part of classic that came here just to throw a “no changes reee” their version of an I told you so, I guess.
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I think Battlegroups of 5 or so servers is ideal (retail battlegroups were initially anywhere from 15-20 servers). By expanding the pool of players you are injecting more premades that are willing to fight each other and more filler players for those who enjoy the casual experience. Selecting servers for battlegroups based on faction ratios also allows for soft faction balancing, “ideally” resulting in shorter queue times. This could be improved further by introducing a priority queue system where it will only match you against other members of your battlegroup provided there are not enough players on your own server.
With today’s twitch culture I can see faction balance being a big concern for some servers which isn’t fair on many players who don’t even watch streamers. These players are going to put in the hard work and make it to 60 only to find out some twitch group is playing on their realm and are now outnumbered 20:1. If they actually allow server transfers then players who are on these marginal factions are probably going to just leave anyway than stick around and get ganked all day, which means the server is going to need to get merged anyway and then screw over another realm.
While of course the familiarity of who you are playing is an amazing experience, the fact is that if you are serious about doing premades you are going to get recognized very quickly. This means there is going to be a lot of queue dodging and or leaving anyway because people know they are just going to get stomped.
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Battlegrounds aren’t coming out on release. They’ll be added sometime later, they’re thinking with the release of BWL. By that time, I’d imagine we’ll know a lot more about who is playing and how they are playing the game.
Not too worried about it to be honest. No cross-realm until Battlegrounds is fine and we can decide later on.
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It was both in-Vanilla and not-in-Vanilla so its presence in Classic is TBD. It was only in Vanilla for a short time before TBC came out.
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Sub count has nothing to do with queue times - it boils down to faction balance in the BG queue.
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I like fast que times but I would rather have the community aspect of no cross realms. If they did do it leave a couple pure realms that won’t ever have crbgs.
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I don’t think they’re going to have NEARLY as many servers as they did for Vanilla though, so the player base will be much more concentrated.
AFKing wasn’t a common issue in wsg or AB until 2.0 pre-patch when the honor system changed. It was far more common in TBC to afk and it had nothing to due with xrealm. It was the ez mode welfare gearing system. Players could literally afk to full epic sets. Something impossible to due in vanilla even with xrealm.
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I don’t understand this reply at all.
People who queue up tend to try in their games. I haven’t met anyone who has played BGs and hasn’t tried to win.
And the new you talk about people who are garbage tier. What does that have to do with cross realm battlegrounds?
Additionally you bring up players who won’t speak my language. So players from Latin realms? You don’t want to play with people from Latin realms? I’ve played with folks from ragnaros on retail. They’re fine players.
Your reply comes off as extremely elitist. Which is funny. Because in Vanilla the good players are those who play the most, not the most skilled. So those garbage tier players you talk about. They may be bad, but they play the most, so they’ll get rank 14 and the epic items that come with it due to sheer playtime.
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That’s not really a good faith argument though. That’s like ripping out all the other class changes and other changes that came in 1.12 and making the same claim to “time they were live in vanilla”. I don’t see anyone doing that for other issues. Its clear that people (myself included) just don’t want CRBGs. Most of us feel it took away from the personal closed nature of server communities and so people are trying to find a “legit #nochanges” way of excluding it, but there isn’t one.
It was vanilla. It was 1.12.
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Huh? The anonymous CR honor grind was rife with afk’ers, “let em win quick”-ers, and bots.
Whenever I encountered folks like that. I reported them.
If someone is going to cheat. They will cheat regardless.