While it’s easy to say “idc about numbers” and that being true to an extent, no one actually likes doing sub par dps even if that’s not going to impact their choice.
As someone who has raided with what I’d generously call “decent” guilds back in the day, yes this feeling does suck. When you’re missing some class that could provide the little bit of edge the group needs to make up for not being tip top raiders, and you know you’re missing that edge, it just demoralizes people.
That’s what makes this whole “it’s just for the 1% elitists” argument such nonsense.
I swapped recently to my dh since we had lost all of ours. I have TD3 I’m waiting for the stupid thing to go up on vendor so I can get TD6. It feels freaking bad
I’d expect the best covenant abilities when tuned correctly, in optimal conditions, and with conduits and legendaries equipped to be worth slightly under 10% of total dps. (This is about where shaman’s best ability is).
What the actual numbers are though is irrelevant. What they want is for one ability to best in one situation and another to be best in a different one. So they won’t be doing the same throughput.
The difficulty that is going to come in, and there’s no real solution to it, is the amount of people who hate the feeling of being completely stuck with no hope of actually improving.
With things like gear there’s always hope, here no. End result is the same but the feeling is so important.
First, you need a new soundbite. Second, I didn’t say it was what I want to do, just that some people do like it, and their version of fun play should be as valid as yours.
Pallys don’t have lust. Again stop assuming you know what I like.
My main point is that everyone should be able to have fun how they want to. If you or I, or anyone else doesn’t want to do that, we don’t have to.
For instance, go back to MoP with UVLS for warlocks and RoRo for Windwaker and feral. Those were by far BiS for the specs throughout the whole xpac and made the specs work. They may never drop due to the limited lockouts you had back then but there was always the hope.
Same goes for off specs in any xpac prior to WoD. Different tier, different stats for healers, tanks, dps, different primary stats. It was very hard to actually get them up and running but there was hope of getting lucky with gear drops. Same applies with personal loot too. Not a ML vs PL thing.
Even though covenant abilities I think will have a much smaller impact than those trinkets, (5% at max difference in overall dps for best vs worst) it’s the fact that there is no hope of ever bridging that gap.
I keep seeing people say this. Yeah, some people would wait 10 minutes between every single pull and take a week to get through the instance. Most people aren’t going to, and we all know that most people aren’t going to. It’s such a stupid thing to say.
With this topic I don’t think it’s worth debating who is objectively right based on math but what matters is WHY people feel this particular system feels so bad.