So here I am doing Time Walkers for the first time in over 2 years, I came back a month ago and been doing Dragon flight. So today I decided, time to get caught up lets do some old time LK time walkers.
So I get 3 people in this group trolling. 2 of these guys wouldn’t do a thing they stayed at the start of the instance, and the 3rd guy wouldn’t vote kick them. So I got no choice but to leave the group and get the 30 min debuff, I am not the one in the wrong, yet I get the debuff so these guys can have a laugh.
Not cool Blizzard. Worse the next guy is going to have to deal with the same thing. I wasn’t the first guy to leave that group. It should say something when multiple people leave because people are trying to ruin other peoples fun.
If you are looking to leave feedback, GD or dungeons,raids&instances would be the place for that. The devs don’t check in on this forum, it is a player help tool.
Unfortunately the system does not know why you left the group, but yes, leaving the group before the instance is finished will now leave you with the debuff. But for queue groups like this, the ignore feature should keep you from joining with them again in the future.
FYI, getting kicked would also have left you with the debuff.
Thanks, kind of messed up that there is nothing you can do about it, and I feel bad for the next guy, he’s going to get the same people doing the same thing.
I have to still be in the group to be able to do that though right?
Really though, this is dancing around the true issue. That Blizzard as a company needs to up it’s game on people and scenarios like this. FFXIV has strong counters in place to dissuade people from abusing the in-game tools, both on the forums and in the game; with repeat offenders being banned.
Happened to one streamer in FFXIV when she tried to marshal her sycophants to go after another streamer she disliked by flooding the game with reports. She was the one who wound up getting temp-banned / suspended. But it got even better, because when she ran to social media to scream about it and cry about the ‘injustice’ of it; Square-Enix responded by turning her temp. ban / suspension into a perma-ban, and warning her publicly that trying to use your followers to try and flood a system with reports to trigger X response; would not be tolerated.
As I see it, if abusing the player-kick function actually listed the ‘reason’ for the kick to the player being impacted, and a means for them to dispute / appeal it; this issue would only arise when the player truly deserved a kick, or more people would just be mature about it and not write stupid crap like “Sucks. Kick.”
You mean, if “using” the player-kick function listed a reason…which still wouldn’t work. If the majority of the group doesn’t want that player there, why should they be punished for kicking them?
Blizzard has no intention, nor have they ever, of holding players’ hands when it comes to group composition. If the group were a pure PUG and the group leader kicked someone without giving a reason, should the group leader be punished? To what end?
What would be an appropriate reason to kick someone and what would stop EVERYONE from just typing that in every single time?
No there isn’t. They don’t have a system ban someone’s account because you’d need to be out of combat and no one in combat. It’d make no sense to action folks for removing people from groups when that person it making it harder on the group.
Blizzard will suspend or ban streamers for it to. A very well known one tried to “prove automation” by having his followers report him for something neutral. It proved the Squelch function operates like it always did for years - to squelch something pending GM review. It was put in for gold sellers and their ilk. What happened as a follow up is that he got Suspended for abusing the report system. No, it was not an automatic suspension because he got reported. It was for having his followers spam report for nothing.
Technically nobody can abuse the kick function. They can use language that is not ok and that can be reported, but otherwise, they can kick for NO REASON at all. That is allowed and intended. Blizzard will not make players stay in a group with someone if they don’t want to. They can kick someone for an ugly transmog. It does not matter. Blizzard is not going to judge the validity of kicks or issue penalties if they think it was not “earned”.
There are functions in the kick system that put people on cooldown if they kick too much, but it won’t punish them because they are not breaking the rules.
I don’t know what you said, other than it coming off as either an attempt to claim my post was false (which it isn’t), or an attempt to passively attack FFXIV by claiming they don’t do the above (which they do). Either way, your post was highly confusing, so for that reason I will clarify my post.
All I am saying is that if a vote-kick on WoW goes through, and a player is ejected; I think upon zoning back into the game world a pop up for the kicked player should appear and it should say something to the tune of…
You were removed from the group.
Reason: “Whatever was typed by the person who actually called for the vote” (without giving their name or server) If you feel this was done maliciously, you may dispute it by clicking on this. You will not receive a response from a GM, but the matter will be documented and looked into, to ensure the vote-kick tool was used for correct reasons.
Something similar to how we can file reports against Botters / Afkers etc.
A fear of being reported for abusing the vote-kick feature would keep honest people honest and possessed of a desire to just finish the run rather than fold their arms and pout until the person offending them slightly was removed from the group.
Thank you for showcasing a good example of why the system needs an overhaul.
If they do, then that is good news. Unfortunately it was not my experience when a very good friend of mine was harassed years ago; but maybe things have finally changed for the better on this front. One can only hope.
Again, this is not the place for feedback. The dev team doesn’t come here. You’d want to take this to GD or another discussion forum if you have suggestions. They won’t be seen here.
I’m not giving feedback. I was replying to the OP. I have zero expectation any of this would be implemented.
Oh I understand it perfectly. I understand that a DPS can wait 30 minutes for a group, and then is left to the whims of someone who might for whatever reason at any time decide they want to be a jerk. This shows precisely what is wrong in this scenario.
I feel that a person who joins a group in good faith, is doing a dungeon with a group again in good faith; and then gets kicked near the end of it because the Tank or someone else wrote “They suck lol”, should have some recourse if wrongly treated.
That creates a scenario called ‘tyranny of the majority’. I just believe ‘every voice matters’ Have a great day.
You don’t seem to be understanding that since someone can be kicked for ANYTHING, it’s a majority vote system, there literally is no way to ‘abuse’ the feature.
Certainly can be upsetting - but they are using the feature as intended.
We are NOT going to make folks group with those they don’t wish to group with.
Everyone would say “Poor performance”. Blizzard isn’t going to sift through logs to decide whether or not that group really did feel your performance wasn’t good enough.
And if it’s no “performance”, then it would be some other term where nobody would ever be actioned.
The system is majority rules and is all that really is necessary.
