This is the sad part.
They already have a group finder that actually works well and is easy to use, and they’ve had it for over half a decade now. Literally the only thing they had to do was implement it into the classic client.
They somehow managed to mess that up.
Correction. They have TWO groupfinders that actually work.
Yeah the classic community is so bad I generally only play after the first month or so to annoy sweaty neckbeards. Anything I can do to make their experience more upsetting to them I intentionally engage in. I hate them with a passion.
LFG being broken still doesnt make RDF a good idea. 1. bad logic. 2. then RDF would just be broken as well.
Pretty much this. You’ll get no argument from me that this tool needs work. Between people just not understanding how to set their role (from the talents screen?? *sigh*) and the bug where it just up and changes it, combined with wonky functionality that isn’t quite right, it’s got some issues.
But, with a /reload here and there and a bit of patience, I’ve been using it just fine and have run a lot of dungeons using it in the last 5 days or so. It needs work and I’m confident it will get better, but we absolutely need to keep letting Blizzard know this implementation should not be considered complete until we hear from them.
Blizzard’s weird on communication, I swear. Sometimes they’re right on it, letting the community know what they’re thinking and that they’ve heard feedback. Other times it’s radio silence for extended periods.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s not being smug, we actually played with the RDF tool, giving this junk because they want to push social interactions. In a game that is based around raiding and to a lesser extent PvP. People have guilds for raiding for the most part, people will go look for guilds if they want to raid.
It’s nothing but someones addiction to the game in the attempts at defending this tool they put in now.
People don’t need to be forced to be social just because it’s an MMO, they will find their own ways to be social.
And the people saying go play retail, well, go stick to vanilla classic? What happens when Cata classic comes and they include RDF from the start?
The whole argument agaisnt RDF is just dumb, no one has any actual legitimate reason for why it shouldn’t be here outside of regurgitating what Blizz has said.
But why make the wheel square when a round wheel has been working for the longest time?
Well, you see, your first issue was assuming that the average WoW player has the mental capacity to observe their computer screen with their eyeballs and make well thought-out, informed decisions. : )
This right here alone proves my point. It’s like you can’t help it. Literally your first sentence. 
I’m just glad some people see it. Nothing wrong with changing your view.
Just hope more speak up so we can hopefully get it, or at least a LFG tool that ain’t wonky.
I’m pro LFD but I would have accepted the retail LFG tool as an acceptable substitute. What we got is borderline unusable. Blizz needs to check their ego and just put LFD back in, at this point it’s just ridiculous.
The tool also doesn’t update what level you are unless you log out and back in.
It’s hard to get a group when people think you’re lvl 25 and you’re trying to get into an armory group…and actually level 35
I’d like an explanation to how it’s better to list yourself for everything at once and get an invite from someone and get summoned to a dungeon vs the RDF just porting you there.
People barely say a word and if they do it’s to complain usually.
Because it worked. The people who used it knew it did it what it was supposed to do.
But now we have people clamoring about how great LFG would be and how unnecessary RDF is.
And still, it is not smug, it’s just stating that myself and others have used the RDF back in the day and there wasn’t an issue with it.
The smugness comes from those who sit up there and tell people to go play retail. Because that’s an answer to a problem I guess. Instead of saying well, they could have RDF and I’ll keep using the LFG tool because I prefer to do it this way, while others who want to RDF can use that.
Where is the issue in that?
RDF is a great idea on it’s own, so I don’t really see the argument. lol
If by this you mean, why didn’t they just port the retail tool over, then yea… I have no idea. To my knowledge, Blizzard hasn’t shared any insight as to why they decided to rebuild it from the ground up instead of using what they already had.
The retail LFG was built with cross-realm in mind, but it’s also probably because it wouldn’t justify having the devs - and their ego and arrogance about knowing, “what’s best” for the Classic game and community.
They had a full working system from Wrath before. It was LFD, looking for dungeon, the basic forerunner to what is now in retail. Worked the same, if someone left mid dungeon you would just re queue and get a replacement.
And if they built the new classics with retail build, than there would be no reason they can’t pull RDF from retail in.
Devs have said things like keeping the role option open to encourage social interaction, and the entire driving force behind LFG is to force and push social interaction.
Humans are all not the same, some are quiet, some don’t want forced interaction. They have their small tight knit guilds to satisfy what they require from the game in their form of social interaction.
A lot of people even seem to forget that classic vanilla was almost always quiet in dungeons, TBC, people just go to the dungeon as a means to an end to get gear.
If I want social hour, I’ll be in disc talking to people, and I’m sure I’m not alone in that aspect.
I just don’t see any legitimate reasons from anyone on why it shouldn’t be here, when it was.
And humans being humans, could care less about anyone elses concerns unless it is also affecting them. Go play retail, when Wrath was the start of everything that retail is.
I don’t buy the social interaction bs, if that was the case, it would be this way in retail as well, as the only difference between the two are M+, RDF and raid finder.
Retail is not the reason humans have a piss poor attitude and treat each other like garbage. It’s been that way since launch and a forced social experiment is not going to magically fix that.
You could remove cross-realm from the retail LFG and the experience would be unchanged, and be exactly what Classic needs. Keep in mind the new version does offer at least one advantage over retail, which is easy sorting for multiple dungeons. It’s more of a pain to search more than one thing on retail.
We’re not getting RDF. This doesn’t mean we can’t have a functional and working LFG.
You’ve seen plenty, they’re just not legitimate because they don’t align with your views. We don’t have to agree on whether or not WotLK should have RDF, but not agreeing doesn’t invalidate anybody’s argument.
There are good things about RDF, to be sure, but there’s also negative things and according to the devs and a lot of community members, the negatives outweigh any positives that RDF brings. I don’t think we need to rehash all those things… again… but like it or not, RDF isn’t coming to WotLK. At least not any time soon.
Instead, perhaps we can focus on what we can change. Accept that you will not get automatically grouped with other players. Accept that you will not be automatically teleported to your dungeon. Now, what does the LFG tool need that it currently doesn’t do? Push for that and make yourself heard.
The idea that dungeon queues ruin communities is moronic. Source: FF14
The WoW community sucks because the WoW community sucks, not because it has a convenient tool to run dungeons with. If you’re still anti-RDF, at least find a new excuse
I mean on paper the tool works fine, in practice it’s got that famous 2020’s “Blizzard Quality”