"You don't need mythic gear for world content" Is true, but

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

Give it time.

[Dartakan-ragnaros (Dartakan)]

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

You disagree with people who don’t want to grind M+ dungeons 100 times each to get gear so they can get an achievement for a mount? Yeah I don’t know chief, sounds pretty far fetched to me. I think more people would do the content because they want the mount and the achievements, which is what casual players do. It also alleviates the loot tension issue, but opens the world up to more content in the open world. Open world content is what MMO’s live on, not queue timers.

All major MMOs would disagree with that, all have instance content as their main form of gear progression.

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Dartakan-ragnaros

We can still have open world, nothing I said gets rid of that. Doesn’t mean you have to make it a grind fest and only content is dailies/WQ.

I don’t see how it is a grind fest by allowing all content to drop end game loot?

Mythic raid doesn’t get easier because of gear, it only gets easier because you learn the fights. If you don’t have skill and team work you’re not getting it.

It actually removes all the grindiness to the game, and would allow the devs to create more content, even mage tower type content and puts less focus on trying to time gate people with gear grinds. I’d rather have more content and things to do then doing S1-S4 gear grinds for two years then everything being thrown out the window each expansion.

[Nightwishs-moon-guard]

collections, collected, type the mount name

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Dartakan-ragnaros

All major MMOs would disagree with that, all have instance content as their main form of gear progression.

Not ESO. So there goes that argument.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Nightwishs-moon-guard

collections, collected, type the mount name

Link main please.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

Not ESO. So there goes that argument

ESO is still around?

[Nightwishs-moon-guard]

@Snozay-thrall

Link main please.

kinda funny how you actually try to reply when you think you have something but quickly go back into troll mode when proved wrong once again

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Snozay-thrall

ESO is still around?

Yeah, its kicking still.

[Dartakan-ragnaros (Dartakan)]

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

Mythic raid doesn’t get easier because of gear, it only gets easier because you learn the fights.

Not true at all, gear is a major reason many people can clear raids by the end of a tier.

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

It actually removes all the grindiness to the game, and would allow the devs to create more content, even mage tower type content and puts less focus on trying to time gate people with gear grinds. I’d rather have more content and things to do then doing S1-S4 gear grinds for two years then everything being thrown out the window each expansion.

The game already reward more than enough gear, you just have to do the content. We dont need more ways to get +heroic ilv gear, there is no need.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Nightwishs-moon-guard

proved wrong once again

You haven’t proved me wrong once.

Link actual main please.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

Yeah, its kicking still.

I would say it’s on life support.

Not the best indicator of a quality mmo.

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Dartakan-ragnaros

Not true at all, gear is a major reason many people can clear raids by the end of a tier.

Its also why most people don’t participate in them, because the barrier to entry requires endless grinding.

@Dartakan-ragnaros

The game already reward more than enough gear, you just have to do the content. We dont need more ways to get +heroic ilv gear, there is no need.

Yet the demand exceeds what you’re stating. People wouldn’t be demanding an end to the gear grind if they loved it. In fact it was so atrocious people dispersed from BFA and SL.

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Snozay-thrall

I would say it’s on life support.

Not the best indicator of a quality mmo.

Could say the same about WoW, but people don’t really view WoW as thriving either.

[Nightwishs-moon-guard]

@Snozay-thrall

You haven’t proved me wrong once.

@Snozay-thrall

So no t16 flawless. Thanks for proving my point.

@Nightwishs-moon-guard

collections, collected, type the mount name

hmmm

[Dartakan-ragnaros (Dartakan)]

@Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow

Its also why most people don’t participate in them, because the barrier to entry requires endless grinding.

Without borrowed power crap, I can get a new alt ready to mythic raid in less than 2 weeks.

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Dartakan-ragnaros

Without borrowed power crap, I can get a new alt ready to mythic raid in less than 2 weeks.

Great, I have 16 toons. I can’t be bothered to raid with all of them, nor would I. I’ll probably end up gear two at most. Do I want to grind 18 hours a day? Nah not really. Have I? Yep. Even without borrowed power, its just another time sink to repeat content to do content I want to do instead. Because you know the game is intertwined that way.

[Wariya-stormrage (Wariya)]

@Khaelyn-moon-guard

about a certain world quest trinket that was BIS but they had to farm over and over again for it to Titan.

The arcano crystal - its stat budget was crazy but it got them to do the content again and again and again for all expansion long . Back then Timeplayed metrics was the hot topic

[Dartakan-ragnaros (Dartakan)]

The content that requires gear all give said content by doing it, if you want to do m+ you get gear by doing it. Same for raids and pvp, is only when you want to push to the hardest content that you have to do more than that, but someone raiding heroic or doing m +15 can just focus on that.

[Wariya-stormrage (Wariya)]

@Snozay-thrall

I would say it’s on life support.

https://activeplayer.io/elder-scrolls-online/

4,811,047 monthly active players is life support ?