You beat me to it.
It is true all statistical evidence is subject to the context in which it is wrapped. I guess who wins this will have wrapped the numbers in the best context.
Of course it will. But a set minimum wage demanded by law is entirely possible and within means.
A corporation could by law be demanded to pay atleast this or that much. Any increase in salary is then in between the leaders of said corporation and the worker.
Capitalism without regulation is indeed a crapshow.
If blizzard paid women less to save money then why not hire only women and save more?
If their intention was to save money?
Wage gap is a dead horse. Its been debunked 100000 times.
Id bet that biased California investigation never took into account the many more year of experience the men had or the fact that they probably clocked more hours than the women etc etc and so on.
The case will not even make it to court. Blizzard will pay people off so they get what they want ā¦ THE LAWSUIT lotto payoutā¦
There will be a NDA for all parties involved and the over bearing communist state of California will get a pay out along with Activision potentially leaving that corrupt state for a more business friendly state.
The dust will settle and life goes on. Blizzard continues to make games for people and gamers play them. Life goes on.
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On this we agree.
However information can be skewed to reflect whatever you like. In a boys club culture they will find ways to cut people they donāt like out of their fair share. It happens everywhere even in guilds. (BTW no to personal loot in RL, that would be awful.)
Perhaps it would be best if HR wasnāt a part of the company and instead owned by a neutral 3rd party.
Thank you for affirming that there really is bias based on gender rather than anything they actually bring to the job. Can you see the logical outcome as all of the highest paid and promoted folks are also the most aggressive? No? Go back and read the complaint against Blizzard, it is very nicely spelled out there.
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And that is when an individual starts noticing their own worth and finds another place to work.
As mentioned, something men who are fixed on developing their career, are also more likely to do. Loyalty should never be free.
If you have something valueable, flaunt it, if you want more for it and it is not given to you, find someone thatāll give you more.
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Why what is wrong? That there is a pay disparity? That doesnt mean a damn thing to be honest. There could be a lot of reasons why there is a pay disparity.
What you are doing is the same thing as people were doing with the wage gap. The only thing is people werent looking at peoples wages but instead of yearly earnings, took the 2 numbers and ran with it. Just saying Sally makes 10 dollars and David makes 15 doesnt mean anything at all. Sally could be worse at her job, doesnt work as much, didnt negotiate her salary, doesnt meet deadlines. There are many reasons why David could make more. Its the people sueing that has to prove that they are being discriminated against and a disparity isnt enough to make any final judgement.
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You are welcome.
Not sure what you are trying to tell me here though. Yes, the more aggressive pursuers are more likely to get raises and be promoted, and yes, there certainly can be a link to how they interract with people.
Good sir did you catch how bad this sounded?
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Yeah, poor choice of words.
Not sure if I can express it differently in as short a manner.
Each person has to draw their own lines, of course.
Some years back i would have believed in this one.
Then I saw an article that presents that without these jobs these families will go entirely hungry. Better to eat than starve. What needs to be blamed there is the companies who dont just do business at home instead of going elsewhere.
And why do they go elsewhere? Because labor is cheaper and tax rates are lower.
And why is labor cheaper? Things like unions grubbing as much money as they can isnt helping in the USA. They demand exaggerated wages and perks, then the company realizes it can just pack up and move production to Brazil leaving those workers not only not getting those great wages, but out of work entirely.
Lower taxes? Well, the last couple decades can easily show a story of which political group loves to over tax employers the most. CA comes to mind.
then the companies can easily just change how business is run.
Dont come asking for a raise. Weāll give you one if and when you deserve one. Dont allow the men to use their aggressiveness as a factor in the first place. if they want to demand more money and they dont deserve it more than the equivalent female employee, tell them to walk.
Im not for one second going to give excuse for companies who use the idea that men are more aggressive and thats why they make more. thats literally and knowingly taking advantage of women in the first place. āHire womenā¦they dont demand raisesā.
As far as setting wages, I agreeā¦but I also believe that the market, NOT Unions, should be setting wages.
which weāve already determined IS the problem if men are āmore aggressiveā in demanding higher wages.
If we know that women arent, thats taking advantage of women even before any wages are discussed because we can just hire women to positions where we dont want to pay any more than weāre offering.
Wages should ALWAYS be performance based.
And the company should go looking for those performers and offer then wages and have a policy of no begging. If you deserve it, weāll give it to you. If you dont, we wont and you can walk.
If we KNOW women are less aggressive then yes, the LAW should level that part of the playing field if it needs toā¦and evidently based on cases like this oneā¦it doesā¦
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You also canāt be sure the reverse isnāt true.
To be honest if HR is owned by the very people accused of doing this. Perhaps they should have a 3rd party HR department installed to sort this out.
Its the plaintiffs job to make the case and to show the evidence of discrimination. None of this has really been out there or people would be plastering it everywhere instead of āthese people said something, and the numbers dont lieā.
Thats all that people are saying and there are many many many possibilities it could be and making any judgement, even a social judgement, is uninformed.
Thatās hard when every time they spoke up and filed a report it was with the people paid to protect the party that abused them. Who can file that under whatever context they wished to.
This is why I am saying 3rd party HR team may be a solution to figureing this out.
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Agreed.
Well, the USA is a cesspool of idiocy and fools.
Unions in Scandinavia are largely beneficial to the workers that pay them, the unions are safety nets when you risk being unemployed, they are negotiators (Some better than others) for the pay of their clients, and those who do pay can take part in who controls and move the union here or there.
What Unions are likely demanding in the USA, is fair wages and perks to benefit the average American, but Americans as a whole are largely uneducated and easily manipulated by the corporations, so they are blinded by the bullcrap.
No, I may be scandinavian, I may be a centrist that lean a little more to the left. But I do believe in a fairly free market, where the working man can negotiate his or her own value if they feel they are a huge benefit to the company, and if a disagreement is reached, there are other places that may very well want to make use of that skillset.
If companies are the ones to determine who deserves a raise or not, it is just as easy for them to say that no one deserves a raise in the first place.
Sure, let us all go for the waiter and waitress salary.
Nah, I do not trust the market to set a minimum wage. I think it should be the government that does that. Not the market, not unions, the government.
That is not a problem with the market.
And yes, I am going to risk it, that is then a problem with women. Yes, they gotta suffer through the same rejection and hardships as the men if they want their raises and promotions, why should they get special treatment?
Agreed.
And if you feel like you perform good and deserve a raise as a result, negotiate for it. But what you feel may not be correct, and if you are correct and the current workplace still refuses, there is a competitior somewhere that may just pay you more for the skillset.
As mentioned, I may be a left leaning centrist.
But I also believe in personal responsibility.
Dont know how the legal system works eh? Its called discovery and everyone has been spouting that the DFEH has been combing through their books. But if all they are going off of is this female gets paid less than this man, its going to go nowhere.
So when discovery and depositions come, thats where more information will be released. Making excuses for Blizzard being guilty is almost like you are expecting them to be found not guilty and want to make up some reason to hate the company now instead of following where the evidence points.
3rd party HR isnt an answer. How do you prevent them from just siding with the people that pay them?
I own a small business. If ladies were paid 75 cents on the dollar, id have an all female workforce. Nobody is going to give up millions because āMEN.ā
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Same thing I suggested too.
Criminals get probation when they violateā¦so should corporations.
If the crime is harassment, then an outside āHRā entity paid for by anyone other than the company in question should be in place for employees to file complaints with until the company learns not to behave like pigs.
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lmaoā¦
you clearly have worked very many jobs.
Ive worked for men who only hired men except that one woman who wasnt even qualified for the job that was very nice to look at so he could hit on herā¦and it usually worked.
Probably at least a full third of the companies I worked for over the years had at least one manager or even owner who was a disgusting pig.
and yeahā¦men WILL pay men more just because they ARE pigs.
What YOU would do isnt relevant.
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