Thank you for sharing some verifiable data on this to help shed light.
So do that. You only have to 4 star a layer once to unlock the next layer.
Is having more point options bad? Want to go fast? Do it and maybe don’t worry about another point source you don’t like. Want to go slow? Do it and just plan on focusing on other bonuses.
If it’s like the one I did, there are mobs out of bounds you can’t reach currently counting. There is another post on this one in the bug report forum.
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Yeah that’s how my runs went.
I just did them like i normally would and got 4 stars.
You only need to 4-star layers below the top Layer 12 in order to move up. If it’s just a personal challenge to 5-star Layer 12, then have at it… as your Box of Many Things gets upgraded it should be significantly easier. Also, I think Blizz tends to inflate their recommended ilvl for the layers as a friend and I did our first successful Layer last season and we were some 15 item-levels below the recommended value.
Good luck and hope you have fun with it!
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It’s like mechanics in LFR. It shows just HOW LOW the bar is actually set – and yet people still CAN’T DO IT.
You have to put something in there so you can tell people what they’re doing wrong. So a spell may not 1-shot you if you don’t interrupt it. You have scaled back the damage of that spell so it still does SOME damage … which you can then learn to INTERRUPT.
The counter should never be: well if the spell isn’t dangerous, why bother to interrupt it??
You’re missing the point with that kind of (lack of) thinking.
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Even though I still think the scoring is unnecessary, good to see some proof of someone taking literally almost an hour but still getting 4 stars to move onto layer 10.
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The problem is some of them are harder for some classes than others.
Pauper for example. Some specs i don’t even look at the epic powers they’re hot garbage. Others they are THE defining power of the build so you’ll never get Pauper.
People are not waltzing through–they are (intentionally or unintentionally) picking up Bonus Points. If you’re not getting 160 points and you want that without speed-running then you need 95-100 points from completion and another 60-65 points from bonuses listed below:
| Points | Bonus | Description |
|---|---|---|
| 20 | Annihilator | Floor 5 boss killed in under 20 seconds |
| 10 | Collector | Collect at least 30 Anima Powers |
| 10 | Daredevil | Defeat 2 Elites within 10 seconds of each other |
| 10 | Executioner | Floor 5 boss killed in under 40 seconds |
| 15 | Highlander | No duplicate Anima Powers |
| 10 | Hoarder | Defeat the floor 5 boss with at least 500 Phantasma remaining |
| 15 | Hunter | No elite enemies reached 4 stacks of Unnatural Power |
| 10 | Pauper | No epic Anima Powers |
| 5 | Pillager | 90% of Ashen Phylacteries destroyed |
| 5 | Plunderer | Opened treasure chests |
| 10 | Reinforced | Collect at least 5 Obleron Armaments of the same type |
| 10 | Rescuer | Assisted a denizen of Torghast |
| 5 | Robber | Robbed a Broker (Requires Shoplifter blessing active OR usage of a Ravenous Anima Cell) |
| 10 | Savior | All Soul Remnants freed |
| 10 | Trapmaster | No trap damage taken |
Look at Brewa’s screenshot in the first post–he got 7 of these bonuses worth 55 points, but he also got 21 points from spending his empowered bonus well. You can ignore the empowerment bonus (if you don’t understand it) and just focus on getting one or two more of the bonuses in the table above so your total is 60-65.
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It adds player choice… those that like to speed-run can get score that way while those that hate to speed-run can choose to get score with bonus objectives. I was very concerned about the timer as it was taking me 45 min methodically clear 9.0-Torghast and it still takes me 20-30 min to clear 9.1-Torghast with one less floor. But once I realized I had an option to ignore the timer my concern was invalid. Still, why would I take away the timer score component from those that can ignore the bonuses, take every epic anima power in duplicate and smash their way to the end?
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How else do you get 5 stars?
Have you read this thread, at all?
It’s a combination of 4-5 things, the LEAST important of which seems to be your time-to-complete.
You have to be damn-near perfect on breaking stuff (as per my example). I’m sure that’s true for killing stuff. But imagine if you missed 1 jug, and then also 1 mob. Probably a 4-star run.
But either alone is probably 5-star.
The best thing to do is take your time, discover it all, break all the things, kill all the bads, and take whatever Anima Powers you want (this one also seems trivial in negating a 5-star run). Oh-- and make the most of your Empowered Buff (I mean, why wouldn’t you??)
Do that, and you should 5-star without a problem.
Spec A) Mass pulls the whole place and gets easy, fast 4 star
Spec B) Can’t mass pull, can’t go fast, so in return must spend even MORE time in here checking off boxes on a list?
This makes Torghast even more of a bore and chore people complained about. Benched my alts and I will be a one leggo Larry this patch. I don’t think people who play X spec realize how much worse it is for Y spec. Same for Visions in 8.3. My crap geared Ret Paladin had easier time doing masks than my decked out SP main. I’m not even that disappointed anymore there are plenty of things to spend time and money on these days. This is far below subpar for me personally.
Except you can’t ignore the bonuses and just rush through to try and beat the timer AND still get 4, much less 5 stars.
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I’ve found the Empowered bonus is best used when you know you are about to kill a bunch of guys and break jars in a very short time and not to save it for the bosses.
You get points for the things you do while Empowered and a bunch of small things seems to outperform a few hard things.
Also, get the Torghast run Blessings from the Box of Many Things - those bonuses can be really helpful.
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Welp. I think I give up. Fourth run and it netted me only 3 stars. Including an imgur link since I cant post pics.
Summary
Completion: 97%
Empowered bonus: +9
Time: +6 (0:29:27)
Pillager: +5
Pauper: +10
Rescuer: +5
Daredevil: +10
I used Empower when killing two elites at the same time as well as the last HP of bosses + breaking vases. I could not avoid duplicate anima powers sadly, but I avoided all epic powers, at least. And despite my best efforts, I cannot kill floor 5 boss in under 40 seconds.
Also not sure how I only got 97% completion unless they are including the ‘trick’ anima cell–which I avoided because I wasn’t sure if that was considered a trap. I ended up hitted a fire trap later on because I’m awful.
I think I’ve done all I can with this for this week. I must’ve gotten a 4 star at some point because I have access to the box thingie. But the minimal effort Blizzard put into the interface means I can’t track it–or know for sure which one I got that many stars in.
In the words of Sergeant Roger Murtaugh, I’m too old for this…
ETA: I don’t know why my freaking empowered bonus continues to be so low. I am doing everything folks are recommending. I went from +6 to +9 lmao. I really think it’s just me. This is disheartening. Obligatory grumpy complaint… but 9.1 has been disappointing enough; this just might do it in for me.
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What’s the point of torghast anyways?
2 stars, 5 stars… doesn’t matter. You still get the same crappy reward currency that once you get, you still have to spend 100,000 gold to craft the leggo. The reward for doing better is that you don’t have to do it nearly as much.
Hard pass.
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First off, if it’s frustrating take a break from Torghast or WoW in general. Play another game or do something else entirely.
Second, don’t worry about the empowered bonus or the kill a boss in 40 sec bonus. When you are offered a choice that would ruin your no epic anima power and/or no duplicate powers, just stop taking anima orbs and do the run slowly/carefully without further powers (be sure to get Savior by freeing all trapped souls). Here are some that I found easier to deal with that you missed on your run above:
| Points | Bonus | Description | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 15 | Highlander | No duplicate Anima Powers | |
| 10 | Hoarder | Defeat the floor 5 boss with at least 500 Phantasma remaining | |
| 5 | Plunderer | Opened treasure chests | |
| 5 | Robber | Robbed a Broker (Requires usage of a Ravenous Anima Cell) | |
| 10 | Savior | All Soul Remnants freed | |
| 10 | Trapmaster | No trap damage taken |
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Or just go back 10 levels from here, and smash it next expansion. The five star is a misnomer. If you get four stars, your playing well enough. Don’t try to compete with a deck that has been stacked against you. If you have to justify your skill to Blizzard, your not playing the game right.
Play for your fun, not for what the company thinks. When they try to bar content for you because of it, then you have a legit problem. Anything before that is relative and not worth the effort to complain on.
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The real problem here is theres basically no in game tracking for the bonuses.
No one really knows how empowerment works and it’s all just experimenting to reverse engineer it. Does it effect bonus objectives? What’s the best point to use it, on trash, elites, bosses, pots… It’s anyone’s guess right now.
The par times are insane for classes without strong movement speed, especially levels where there is a strong Y branch that forces a double back.
This forces you to go for bonuses to compensate, but they’re not tracked in game anywhere that you can see so unless you’ve got wowhead open it’s pot luck whether you would naturally complete them.
Theres also a couple maps that seem to be impossible to 100% (I had the same upper reaches map that was earlier in this thread, straight shot but out of bounds mobs on the side).
I’m one of those sick people that really liked Torghast, absurd builds and the power trip of a playground that didn’t really matter. I loved TC too. But the new Torghast literally punishes you in bonuses for taking epic powers or stacking fun powers (duplicates). No more stacking convoke, stacking Felguard damage, stacking blink CD reduction, getting high immunity uptime on my rogue, unless I’m willing to pay for it in points I’ll have to make up elsewhere.
I’m hopeful that this 4-5 star garbage is something I will suffer once to unlock new levels and the flawless mount and then never care about stars again.
If I have to think about stars/gems every time though, I’m gonna be real annoyed that one of my favorite things was made worse.
If the devs are out there, think about the time per floor based on the path you need to take to 100% as a DK and not just total map size. Make bonus objectives clearly visible in game and provide a more detailed tooltip for Empowerment.
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