Valid point too.
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I will always laugh at the fact that people are so bad at this game they need Blizzard to change the rules so people are forced to keep them in their groups
What do people propose as an alternative?
The way votekicking works, 3 out of 4 people have to say they don’t want you in the group.
The only alternative to this is that 1 person who at least 3 people want gone are forced on them - either because vote kick is gone, or because of some even worse system.
The latter alternative is going to turn LFD/LFR into a griefers paradise.
Vote kick is a terrible system, but every other system or any other way to handle this ever conceived of is way worse.
If you’re talking about FATEs, no, those are not the most efficient. Food and the highest level dungeon are the fastest XP in that game. You can get a level an hour doing dungeons. It’d take you twice as long or more to do that via FATEs. Spamming FATEs for your weekly challenge log may be what they’re talking about. If you do 10 each week, you get a big chunk of XP.
I spam FATEs at higher level to farm bicolor stones for crafting, which is why many others do it.
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Maybe that’s what I was thinking of
I didn’t play it super hard core or anything, so maybe that’s what made me think of the do your fates thing
Random means random.
That’s the chance you take.
Kicking people who are slow or bad means it’s not really random at all…
Save the parsing for m+
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Yes there are bad players, but there are also good players who are caught in the middle and get VTK for dumb reasons. Like being too slow, tank not pulling enough or not pulling too much, not saying anything or saying too much, and etc…
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I have a possible solution.
Raise the xp gains for quests to just above what you would get for dungeons per hour.
This could possibly split the difference to where you are less likely to run into dungeon speed runners because they would all be questing instead
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Whether we look at any reason as silly or good, each reason is subjective, and we all have different experiences too, so we can’t really confirm on why others outside of ourselves might of been kicked.
But the solution should be to reduce the deserter down to 15 minutes. Oh, and also, remove any deserter for the final boss of the dungeon.
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Sounds lame to kick somebody right before last boss dies, y’all made it that far with the other guy. I’ve seen things like that before but it was basically just one dps dying and not doing any dps the entire run so I think it makes people feel a certain way about completing it with them.
Why do people always assume that someone is hitting yes at random? Is it incomprehensible for you that the other 3 people didn’t want to play with the other guy?
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Because a lot of people flat-out admit that they do it. And when you see “lol” as the reason and the vote passes, it kind of tells a tale.
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Yes, the same people who make the claim that the system is abused often claim they do it. The game has a character limit, and not a big one, for the vote kick system. You’d be hard pressed to not naturally read it with how short and centralized the message is.
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Why would people who advocate for NOT doing it be the ones who do it? That doesn’t make any sense.
You would think, but when games have huge EULAs that you have to “read” and scroll to the bottom before you can accept, you know not everyone is reading that. Same goes here, even if the message is short. They don’t care. They just want it off their screen. That or they’re giggling and clicking yes.
ah I thought they both came at the same time, not really a thing I experience
in this specific scenario, in the moment sure it may be odd but screaming abuse about it and making an entire post over it is more than a mild overreaction
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Probably desperate for anything to support their position, even if they have to make it up. It’s like the one poster who claims that there is a discord server of people abusing reports, and their evidence is that they are a part of that discord server.
There’s a button labeled “no” as well, mate.
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Not when it happens over and over and over and over….
If people won’t stop being jerks, there needs to be an administrative system change that prevents it.
That’s all anyone is asking for. There are many things they could easily do to help this.
Another solution is for players to type in VOTE TO KICK instead of clicking VTK.
Yet another solution looking for a problem.
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I’m pretty sure in ff14 you can only kick a player so many times before you’re investigated for abusing the system.