XP Debuff in raids

I’m trying to get XP while doing “The Originals”, but there is almost always someone that has chosen to turn off XP gains. Why does that impact ME? There is no reason to drop my xp because someone else chose to limit their character.

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I did not know that was even a thing, but I googled it, and it looks like it was added in 8.2.

Not a great change imo.

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Unfortunately every system has its shortcomings – as with life, the options are often between “this bad” and “that bad”. Keep in mind also Blizzard isn’t spending resources arbitrarily implementing these systems.

If you can think of a concrete suggestion (e.g. a new system, or how the system may be reworked whilst still fulfilling its purpose), Blizzard has a handy-dandy in-game link :slight_smile: You may alternately try posting to the General forum but be aware a large number of people there may want to comment.

Additionally, the low-hanging fruit – raid encounters have never been considered levelling content. You’d need to address that as well.

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You’ll have to put in a suggestion that the system be changed for that, in the appropriate forum or through the game.

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Where are the suggestion forums btw? I cant seem to find them, and feel like they were removed a long time ago.

There is not a Suggestion forum any longer.

We are advised to post in the forum most fitting for our suggestion, with General Discussion being a catch-all for suggestions that do not conveniently fit into another forum topic.

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Thank you. Thats what I thought, but considered I may be not using my eyes properly when looking for it.

General Discussion can be a tougher crowd than this forum for sure. I’d like to see the suggestion forum make a comeback.

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For threads like this, the specific forum to post in would be Dungeons, Raids, and Scenarios.

GD is just the fall back for things that slip through dedicated cracks such as currency refund timers, to note another currently-active thread.

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GD is just not a nice place to post most of the time, but its better than nothing.

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Yeah, we generally tend to avoid recommending it specifically for that reason. Most of us will suggest the in-game Support menu option for providing feedback

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Thanks Ekon!

Happy Holidays :christmas_tree: :snowman: :gift:

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They were. Just for some background it was felt that the old “Suggestion” forum was kind of a blackhole where good ideas were sent to die. Since every subject was thrown into the same sub-category of forum it was near impossible to find feedback on any specific subject or make any sense of current trends.

So, when the newer forums were being created it was decided that feedback and suggestions should go into the category that best fit the subject. Paladin feedback in the Paladin forum, Raid loot feedback in the Dungeons, Raids & Scenario forum, etc…

This way it wasn’t just “Here’s my idea” but the Community team could also see how the community was engaging with the feedback/suggestion and those members of the Game Development team who were focused on specific areas of the game (i.e. Quest designer for a specific zone, or a class designer, etc…) could look at that particular forum instead of trying to hunt down a subject in an endless pool of everything. :slight_smile:

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It was my understanding that the class-specific forums were generally unread by the development team. Is that untrue?

That’s why most suggestions are posted in GD.

Whenever the subject comes up in, say, the Paladin forum (to pick one at random), someone or two or multiples chime in and say these forums aren’t read. Blues never post here.

So maybe lack of response is generating this feeling?

Blues are not developers, so it’s unrelated that Blues don’t post there.

The development teams look at the forums (with the exception of the support forums) for ideas being put forth by players. They also receive suggestions via the in-game suggestion feature.

People tend to think that a blue post means that an idea was read/acknowledged etc. That’s simply not how it works :wink: Yes, posting paladin suggestions in the paladin forum is the right thing to do.

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Blues don’t really post because the purpose of the thread tends to get lost. They could post about anything and people will dogpile on to ask about something unrelated, harass, or just otherwise make a constructive thread unusable.

Staff do read the forums to gather community sentiment and that is best done from the sidelines where they can’t influence the conversation. Just because they don’t act on each and every suggestion does not mean it isn’t taken into account. Just because it takes awhile (if ever) to see a popular suggestion become real doesn’t mean they never considered the feedback prior.

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No, the issue is people think they need a blue to reply to them personally and often think that is the only way to get their suggestion read. More often then not, some folks think nowhere on the forums is read beyond the CS forum as Vrak and other blues post here.

A suggestion is just that - a suggestion, the folks who look at them isn’t required to push each and every idea that gets posted, let alone have each and every one be put into the game.

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Lack of response can certainly generate that assumption, but a common misconception is that if it isn’t posted in, it hasn’t been read. Problem is, it’s a player-created problem that drove Blizzard posters away from those sub-forums and the forums in general outside the Support forums.

Threads would stop being about that specific issue and people would just dogpile the Blue poster asking why their thread also wasn’t getting the same attention, what made that particular thread so special, etc. It wasn’t uncommon for players to harass, “verbally” attack, or threaten physical harm to those employees, either.

e.: Should’ve read Jeysca’s thread a bit more thoroughly before posting this. :sweat_smile:

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Sorry Perl, just thought to make a quick edit to fix.

I accept everything you said. Now, in the words of Stan Marsh, “Let me tell you how it works in the real world.” A lack of acknowledgement, or – at the very, extreme least – a belief by the public that their posts aren’t read will discourage posting and discourse.

How many people don’t post because they don’t believe it matters?

Perhaps this is something Blizz needs to look at.

Honestly? More than will ever be convinced otherwise, and I don’t mean that sarcastically. There have been plenty of additions to the game over the years as a result of players’ feedback posts. Ideally that would be evidence enough, but there will always be some people out there that have their own unwavering narrative to the contrary.

There have been recommendations in the past, and perhaps that would also be something you could look into. One of the more recent ideas I’ve seen and wholly approve of is on a main forum page where all the threads are listed, there exists already an icon for an MPV or a Blizzard post within that thread.

One could argue a third one added along those lines to indicate that the thread has already been seen by a CM and forwarded on.

The hurdle with that is that Blizzard is simply leasing the software they use for the forums we have today, and may not have the tools necessary to make such a change. At least… not yet.

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