Your beating Ilvl 300 players in high level keys? Or your getting carried by friends? Which is it?
Your entire argument is based on the fact you have a 12 hour old monk and out dps 300 Ilvl players, which you don’t.
But your now admitting you got carried by friends and your admitting your 12 hour old monk is actually weeks old.
So you greatly exaggerate… not sure how exaggerating to the point it’s lies proves that monks are op (because if a green boosted monk could beat 300 Ilvl players who where actually playing the game that would be stupid levels of opness).
Both things are true.
It’s not an argument, it’s an observation.
I understand that you want an echo chamber and not a discussion so I’ll leave you to that, but don’t question my experience or honesty, I’m the wrong guy for that. Probably good you keep your profile hidden for your own sake, you got something right.
The streets? Look at that log that’s a great example. 263 ilevel with no legendaries vs a 300 ilevel warlock 2700io and a 2.2k io bm hunter also nearing 300 ilevel. I don’t even know what I’m doing and I was in the ballpark DPS wise. I was the only person who died in the key as well. I believe I was top damage on 2 of the boss encounters.
Again, I’m not some god mode player. I admittedly don’t know what I’m doing yet or what my abilities actually do, and I was relevant while being grossly Inexperienced and undergeared. Thanks for pointing this out as I didn’t know there was a log for this key.
As far as me lying about being carried, that’s a weird thing to lie about lol.
A BM hunter with that damage overall is extremely bad and the Warlock was affliction which isn’t going to do much outside of massive AoE. Looking at that warlocks other logs he is also questionable with the other specs too.
This is like me saying an AoE class is busted because I beat a spec that is only good in ST and barely playing the game because they are bad.
Good job you did better than below average players on a spec that is beyond god tier in AoE that now so happens to do relevant ST damage. You aren’t special.
I think you have me confused. I’m not saying that these guys played well. When I am up against good players with ilevel I lose. I’m trying to say that ilevel for ilevel WW monks do incredible amounts of damage within their current kit and would argue that not only were the nerfs warranted , but they probably need another round of nerfs to their aoe. At 263 ilevel, no legendaries, and limited experience, I should have no business doing the damage that I was doing. I am now around 284 with double legendary and am a serious force.
I’m speaking from someone who has a lot of experience in all roles in mythic plus dungeons. I’m not speaking about PVP or raid encounters as I am unfamiliar with them. If you are currently playing a level 60 monk with 300 I level and two legendary‘s and you are experiencing issues with damage, it is most definitely not a spec issue.
Pre-Nerf on one of my other characters I did a gambit with a good monk who finished the dungeon 47K overall. This was nearly 20 K more than the next guy. absolutely insane.
I’m not hating on monks. I’ve been playing this Monk nonstop since I made it. I love it, it’s a blast. Its disingenuous to say that they are not powerful, and I understand that everybody hates the nerfs but they are necessary for balance and coming to the forums to complain about it isnt going to serve anyone any better.
I was out damaging people higher geared than me in m+ at 270 before the pre-patch.
and his breakdown was mostly likely nothing but sck. Guess what its not going to be in DF outside of like 1-2 dungeons? One of which requires the tank to do a pretty massive pull.
WW is getting massively carried right now with CS and BMH.
Without legendary‘s and tier it’s basically a dragonflight build isn’t it? Even the legendary I do have is a talent that I’ll be able to take it level 70 with my current set up so the only thing missing will be the additional bone dust damage from unity.
What do you mean SCK is not going to be a dragonflight? I’m also not sure what CS and BMH stands for. Again, I’m sorry I am very new to monk but am willing to learn and have a discussion.
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here. I thought the disagreement was about the nerfs? everything I’ve said about the damage profile is post nerf with the new talent trees.
First off BDB is no where near as strong in DF because we lose the conduit that is carrying it and calculated strikes conduit being gone is also a massive amount of AoE lost on SCK outside of EXTREMELY large mob counts.
Taking average dps numbers from beta m+ logs, applying the nerfs actually puts us doing less AoE than demon hunters for example I haven’t bothered to weight this against other classes because testing is open again soon. This is also however excluding the storm eater trinket that is clearly doing more damage than it should be so things are a bit skewed.
Could WW see another nerf? Possibly, but that is going to heavily depend on how much ST blizzard is comfortable with the spec doing but the spec is not in any way shape or form an outlier after these nerfs on DF.
You made the comment about beating players better geared than you but in reality this was always a possibility against quite a few classes in the game just due to the sheer nature of WW aoe dps.
In hindsight I should have left this out lol. I’m not saying I’m going into keys consistently out DPSing 300 ilevel players, but I was often winning pulls and bosses individually. At times it translates to overall depending on key/pull style ect. RNG is RNG yes but what I’m trying to point out is that it shouldn’t be a factor with a 40 ilevel/limited experience/no legendary discrepancy regardless of it being pad or not.
I made the statement to point out that WW monks are most definitely NOT busted since the nerfs. That’s it. We can do a key together if you like! I’ll take my
Legendaries off and then we can come back here and discuss it.
I have been gearing this toon with another friend of mine who is also setting up a monk for DF and he is having the same experience! I play almost daily in a very active high end community of M+ players and we discuss these things. I have no intention to be misleading or dishonest. The last thing I was trying to do was puff out my chest and brag about how good I was or some nonsense like that. I’m only trying to encourage anyone who is feeling doom and gloom about monks right now to stick with it and reconsider. FWIW I think DH is currently BIS, enhanced was slightly over nerfed but still good, and monk is still strong. Sorry for any confusion.
For a recent sample, I did a 17 grimrail depot with a 302 rogue (2680io) and beat him by 5k overall. Full discretion, I now have two legendaries and am around 283, which is still 20 ilevel below with awful secondary stat distribution and under 20 hours played as a monk. The other monk in the group at 269 beat him as well! At 269!
Again, I’ll be more then happy to do a key with you Sunday or Monday I think it will change your mind! Have a good weekend
While I don’t understand nerfs in the dead space between content drops we were doing exponentially better than most specs. With covies and legos still being a thing you can build a full utility spec that accesses combinations that aren’t designed to be accessed until 70 as well as increased access to abilities and buffs previously not there. Even after the nerf I was pulling double the numbers of equally geared players in several m+. The only ones that really came close were BM hunters or a frost dk that can really extend a BoS window. Putting the emotion aside, objectively we are still in a great place. Its going to feel really weird in 3 weeks when that synergy is lost until you get back to 70.
If history is any measure whatever starts out at the bottom at the beginning of the xpac eventually moves up toward the top by the end. The top 10 stats included Feral and Arcane, which started out at the bottom last time.
have no issue with having to be skilled to play ww but if we can kill in a sweep window thats not good the hit an run playstyle doesnt work if u cant do that in theory meanwhile dks and assas rogues and Spriests take 3 braincells to do any dmg. its not good if ur gonna make us have to play insane in pvp at least make the other classes have to play the same where globals and cds matter.