WoW killed itself for raiders over 7 years

[Alasa-proudmoore]

@Snozm-malganis

Gear is just your crutch for being bad at the game.

whats your excuse?

[Ddzz-illidan]

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

WoD was literally when subscriber numbers starting plummeting,

Sub numbers were plummeting after WOTLK.

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

This is also why we got Legion right after that,

Legion was a horrible expansion until the second half of its lifecycle. Casuals hated it just as much as raiders did.

[Vitalia-sisters-of-elune]

@Alasa-proudmoore

Blizz did change gear in LFR. It wasnt to please the casuals.

(Edited)

The LFR gear in 9.1 originally had glowing skulls on the shoulders. Now only elite PvP and Mythic raiding sets have glowy skulls.

[Alasa-proudmoore]

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

The LFR gear originally had glowing skulls on the shoulders. Now only elite PvP and Mythic raiding sets have glowy skulls.

No during i think it was legion, they made whole new sets for lfr. Like, appearances and even designs that were not available outside LFR. But … ugly.

[Ddzz-illidan]

@Sentenzah-sargeras

I would also like to be able to do M+ with my alts like I could in 9.0.

What on earth does this have to do with raiders lmao. You don’t think raiding guilds use alts now? It is far more common that raiders have a raid alt than key pushers have a key alt.

[Stormspellz-mugthol (Stormspellz)]

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

Virtually all of the bad design decisions made throughout the past 7 years can be explained through the lens of pleasing raiders,

incorrect, its about maximizing tokens- the entire lego system is about getting people to pony up a token to maximize the gear. Followed by metrics that look good to investors- stock holders like high MCU and player activity? make everything a daily chore.

[Alasa-proudmoore]

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

Virtually all of the bad design decisions made throughout the past 7 years can be explained through the lens of pleasing raiders,

Well, that and extending playtime for the time played metrics.

[Vitalia-sisters-of-elune]

@Ddzz-illidan

Sub numbers were plummeting after WOTLK.

Sub numbers jumped up in MoP and stayed high because of the good content and pacing of content in MoP. Between WotLK and MoP, by the way, Cata also saw a huge decline because the Heroic dungeons were overtuned to please the try-hards.

[Snozm-malganis]

@Alasa-proudmoore

whats your excuse?

I don’t need one because I’m not bad at the game.

[Vitalia-sisters-of-elune]

@Alasa-proudmoore

No during i think it was legion, they made whole new sets for lfr. Like, appearances and even designs that were not available outside LFR. But … ugly.

Oh, yes, and the boring stat set bonuses were separate for LFR gear in WoD. WoD was the expansion where they tried to create a separate lane for casuals to stay in. The garrisons were also probably intended to entertain casuals who didn’t raid.

[Sentenzah-sargeras]

@Ddzz-illidan

I haven’t mentioned

You’re literally mentioning it now. Do you understand how that works? Actual kekw, are you for real?

I actually don’t care about your gear or my gear or how they compare or my IO vs your IO.

I care about the actual M+ community, as well as the ability for M+ers to play alts this patch.

Your ego bro, lol.

[Alasa-proudmoore]

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

he garrisons were also probably intended to entertain casuals who didn’t raid.

That and housing, but im afraid we will never get that implemented right.

[Ddzz-illidan]

@Sentenzah-sargeras

You’re literally mentioning it now

Are you really struggling with the word “haven’t”? It’s past-tense. I am saying it now not to show that I care about your item level vs mine, I’m saying it to show the difference between how entitled you are compared to a big evil raider.

Again, actions mean more than your silly little words. While you’re in here shouting that we’re the entitled ones, you’re sitting here with a significantly less progressed character while having a nearly identical item level while still demanding that you need more and that raiders deserve less I, on the other hand, have not said a single time that I want more or others to have less.

[Cordapper-illidan]

@Kaemane-area-52

I’m still pushing keys sub with a sub 240 item level on a meme class

There’s no such thing as meme class for M+, M+ is designed to be cleared by 4 people, it doesn’t matter what class you play.

[Sentenzah-sargeras]

@Ddzz-illidan

that raiders deserve less I, on the other hand, have not said a single time that I want more or others to have less.

I’m going to extremely, extremely doubt that you did not whine about 9.0 loot. But again, I don’t care about you specifically, no I’m not really interested in sleuthing.

[Vitalia-sisters-of-elune]

@Ddzz-illidan

Legion was a horrible expansion until the second half of its lifecycle. Casuals hated it just as much as raiders did.

Casuals loved Legion from start to finish, and it was generally praised as a good expansion.

You are trying to create your own subjective reality, rather than live in the objective reality that most of us live in.

[Snozm-malganis]

It’s simple. Want higher ilvl gear? You have three options

Join a guild

Make friends

Buy a boost

[Megavarsinax-moon-guard]

WoW didn’t kill itself.

[Poraha-moon-guard]

More nonsense answers from the forumbot.

@Vitalia-sisters-of-elune

You are trying to create your own subjective reality, rather than live in the objective reality that most of us live in.

They need to convince current subscribers that Legion was highly unpopular. They think this will make players think that Shadowlands is better than their experiences inform them.

[Alasa-proudmoore]

@Ddzz-illidan

Casuals hated it just as much as raiders did.

No, we truly did not. It was a nostalgia trip, fun from day one.