you’re 100% right, but you will get many trolls and naysayers who hate the label p2w. People want to easily fit in somewhere (by fronting money), and that is what the “gaming” industry is about now. That is the majority of game buyers. Gamers are the minority these days. Gamers would vet groups for ksm or aotc, and that is no longer a measurement due to p2w.
Oh man, I am gonna need some sauce for this claim.
you just need experience with the game to understand. OP can’t give you that.
What are people actually winning here? Everyone has access to max level legendaries, is buying a token then selling it on the AH a quicker way to grind that legendary? Sure. But everyone has access to it, it isn’t a game breaking item that only the token buyer has access to. Buying AOTC with gold from the token? Cool heroic gear is mid tier at best and below what most people can get from their +15 vaults and the gear is available to everyone, there is no gear they buy from an APTC boost that is a higher/better gear level than anyone else.
The only area that really is impacted is the quality of arenas where 3k players are crushing out lower tier brackets carrying players who would never achieve a decent rating on their own. (Please note that I do not PvP actively outside of random BGs but that appears to be the most common arena complaint I’ve seen).
There is no real pay to win, you aren’t able to purchase an item of ungodly power that gives you a clear advantage and you aren’t even guaranteed any gear drops due to RNG.
Is it a shortcut? Yes, it’s also no different to Ubisoft selling Helix points, EA selling stuff in battlefield or COD points. It’s all just largely shortcuts.
How many of these threads do we need? There are so many, it feels like some kind of secret agenda.
Maybe you want to convince people that boosting is ok?
Maybe you want to convince people that P2W is ok?
I can’t really think of any reason to spam a tired and weak argument for WoW being P2W.
Because as everyone on twitter knows, squeaky wheel gets the oil. As much as you’d like to bully silence people, not happening on this topic.
Neither of those are true if you’re trying to claim the token is the sole reason for this not being true. KSM never existed prior to the token, and boosting was very much alive and thriving prior to the token. I still have gold left over from what I made in MoP selling AOTC/CE and Challenge Mode runs.
Another one of these threads. I’ll bow out of this one. I wasted too much time on the last P2W thread earlier today.
Twitter is not the real world either. Fake people talking to bots and bots talking to bots just spinning agendas into who knows what latest outrage.
What twitter thinks is irrelevant. What WoW forum accounts think is irrelevant. If it was a problem, it would be addressed. This caricature of blizzard as some inept Indy company is just so far from reality. If it’s a problem, they know about it. They’ve investigated it. They have reports on it. If it’s worth addressing, they do. (The middle man communities are a great example).
This isn’t worth fixing, because nothing is broken.
WoW is two step Pay To Win.
That said two step P2W is in game is the problem.
The fact that Blizzard has to this date chosen to not remove it or instead offer fun, real, and substantive content, is the truly sad part.
And yes, it is broken.
Paying to go around the content while supposedly playing it is indirect cheating.
And the only reason Blizzard allows this is because they are also turning a profit at the same time.
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It was an analogy. WoW going from the biggest mmo, then adding p2w, mobile subsystems has brought the game down whether you’re sheltered from it or not.
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People say that, but they keep raking in record profits. 
If I was on the spot and had to bet who could make better business decisions, I’d probably take the shepherds of a 17 year franchise that’s always performed well vs random Internet personality who may or may not be a real person.
Someone earlier put it pretty well. You’re paying to participate…and even that is sort of debatable. If you pay for a carry, you’re expected to tag the boss and then die in the corner as to not wipe the raid. If pay for a key, you’re not allowed in passed the entrance as to not wipe the group.
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again.
WoW is not P2W for the simple reason that no one wins at WoW.
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Even before tokens you could buy boosts and so on, Even buy AOTC and pvp boosts. Now just have the safe option to get the gold from legal means vs getting it from gold scammers. Do we really want to go back to when the gold scammers control most of our markets! Sure they still do to a point.
Gladiator, 10/10M, all keys at 20+… you’ve won.
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if you say so. not everyone agrees with your definition.
Except by advocating to remove the token, you are inadvertently advocating to remove their access to the game.
Game time for gold can be an option without having counterparties spend cash for a token for gold. They aren’t mutually exclusive, zoom out. Keep the parts that most people like,
Lol@ you trying to turn this into removing access to the game… red herring. paytowin does not have to do that, It’s just the current design.
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