I think M+ was a good concept a way for raiders to gear up between raids however things like Raider IO came along and ruined it.
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Iāll stick to WoW. Must I like see Final Fantasy to do well, itās not for me and beside its not FFVII.
If content canāt give me power itās dead.
Things like blue mage and housing is in the same boat as pet battles to me aka pointless.
So to me m+ is probably the greatest addition to wow.
Nah, I am just saying that if someone thinks FFXIV has a lack of endgame, hoo boy are people going to be immeasureably disappointed by New World once they hit max level and have nadaā¦ nothingā¦ whatevs to do.
If crafting and chopping down lumber is all people are happy withā¦ fair enough, but I can still think of better games for that, since those better games also still have more to offer.
Minecraft comes to mind.
I mean there is a lot of reasonsā¦ and I mean a lot of reasons why M+ is bad for the game. I will say it should of only been for an expansion. They definitely need to stop with it and make some actual content again though.
M+ shouldnāt reward gear it should be for competition for Seasonal titles, mounts and cosmetics. Itās a mini game that has run itās course just like Arena.
Minecraft is to Valheim what Ultima online was to WoW.
M+ started as what you said called challenge modes. It synced your gear and only awarded cosmetics.
It didnāt last more than one expansion cause of how dead it was, and m+ spawned out of it which is far more popular.
Atleast in Valheim and Minecraft the cities are not just WoW-Garrisons.
FFXIV isnāt my cup of tea, but Iām looking forward to Lost Ark, sadly itās only coming in 2022ā¦
But I hope the devs behind the systems and gameplay of WoW learn something from FFXIV, the game respects way more the playerās time and feedback.
I think you foolishly think Endgame means one thing. I could care less about Raids and Dungeons. They are the least important part of an MMO for me. I will do them, complete them and want to be done with them so I can move onto what I like.
Again FF isnāt my style and New World is. The reason I bought New World and didnāt buy FF is because of this reason. Somehow you wonāt understand and tell me Iām wrong though. Should be amusing.
Well SWTOR had an Endgame ā¦but people still hated it.
Iām playing FF14. Itāsā¦nice. I like the flexibility it has in how to play. I like the cut scenes. I love the mini- (and maxi-) games (except for Lord of Vermillion). I even paid for the full version (when it went on sale).
But while leveling, it doesnāt have the vibrancy of WoW. Maybe itās the mostly lack of Voice Acted NPCs. Maybe itās that there isnāt that much real world combat until you seek it out. Maybe itās just not different enough. Maybe itās just that Iām not max level.
Iām not ready to write-off either game right now.
like a plandemic and a weekend at burnies happening irl but with the president of the world biden
and blizzard punishing players because the devs canāt stop abusing ppl irl
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I firmly believe SWTOR and many other MMORPGs was sadly released at a bad time, while WoW was still going strong. WoW was lucky to release at the time it was, as a technologically superior MMORPG, both in graphics and in engine, compared to its predeccesors.
We need something that improved of the MMORPG nowadays, we donāt have that. Not yet. And we probably wonāt get that in the near future either. It is a shame but it is true.
M+ isnāt popular itās a chore that most people donāt want to do but they want gear. So that is why M+ is the most toxic environment in the game. Just like other chores in game that people donāt want to do but Blizz gatekeeps gear behind it. Donāt mistake popular with forced chores. You gonna tell me Korthia is popular next 
That is a huge reason why M+ is bad for the game. It should be for competition for people that like M+ and also it would be better competition. Just like Arena shouldnāt reward better gear, it should be a place to compete.
Donāt matter this game is dead for a lot of reasons. Gearing in SL is the worst and M+ will only keep driving players away. If you like it cool you can like it with a small population while the majority of WoW players left for other games that donāt have chore list they are forced to do before the fun starts.
They should get rid of M+ and make a good game again that has actual content.
Most players donāt want to waste their time doing repeat dungeons, that isnāt content or fun.
As I said before the only reason FFXIV is doing well is because wow is struggling.
If you want to prove that FFXIV is the superior game lets how it will stand if the next x pack recaptures some of the magic of old WoW.
I am scared of Endwalker, because the amount of voice-acted scenes have improved over the expansions. But with Endwalker the team was developing it during corona, and they usually use their own studios to record dialogue, which means we might have less voice-acted cut-scenes 
Key-word here āmightā
If I wanted a good final fantasy story Iād rather go play literally any other final fantasy gameā¦
I donāt play mmos for story. I play for the gameplay.
Nah, it has done well for years.
It have been steadily growing even before recent times.
WoW have had several attempts at a good expansion.
The devs canāt deliver.
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And a lot of the devs were fired lets see what the new team can do first.