WoW is an elitist mess

Your opinion is incorrect. People can be what they want without you judging them.

Or maybe, just maybe hear me out here.

Maybe ā€œelitismā€ is a thing because WoW is over 15 years old and people have gotten extremely good at figuring out the best setups and disseminating that information.

Maybe people donā€™t see ignorance as an excuse because you can find out 90% of what you need to know about your class/spec in like 5 minutes and they donā€™t want to play with people who havenā€™t done the absolute bare minimum.

But no, Iā€™m sure eSports is the reason for WoWā€™s elitism.

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Sadly, yupā€¦so long as Mythic+ is the norm and the ā€œgotta go fastā€ is still a thing itā€™s gonna affect everything like lowbie dungeons etc

I just hate that we all know itā€™s a problem but the only solution is ā€œmake your own group/guild/raidā€ Likeā€¦is it too much to ask to be chill again?

Back in TBC and Wrath I remember servers used to have public Ventrilo Servers so people could talk and share the game with TONS of people sure wpvp may have gotten heated/toxic but the admins were usualky on the spot about it

Im more surprised there isnt a big community for this same thing now that theres a feature for it, or maybe there is?

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Yeah I play a Destruction Warlock.

You know what my ignorance was? Playing a destruction warlock.

I have to form my own groups because I get declined for every group even if I have the item level. Am I opposed to doing this? No Iā€™m not but being declined because of what I play is BS.

People follow a meta set by the people at the top they donā€™t think for themselves and if you donā€™t fit that meta youā€™re not welcome to their party.

But where is this meta formed? E-sports.

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Hardly. Metas have been a thing for as long as the game existed.

Even back in the early days people knew that Boomkins were trash and the best use for a Druid was as a healer.

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Sure thing thatā€™s exactly why Vanilla and Classic are played exactly the same because it was obviously the same meta back in Vanilla.

Yeah I tried to just do Mythic 0s and was getting declined on Tuesday over and over again and it felt like I won the lottery just getting into one. One group invited me and then kicked me, another invited me then everyone left I think, and this is just Mythic 0s. At this point even in covenant gear up to 197 we out level the instance. Itā€™s not like Iā€™m trying to get into a dungeon at 160 ilevel like at the start of the expansion.

Not to mention M0s have been adjusted and nerfed quite a bit by now. I think part of the problem is that people are impatient, want to be carried by joe smoe in 220 ilevel, and/or want it to be super fast cause anything in a dungeon that takes longer than 10 minutes is the worst thing ever.

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I am very elite. I pulled 54th in dps among all Venthyr arms warriors and 100% for my ilvl on mythic Hungering Destroyer last night. :smiley: Bow down to me (unless youā€™re one of the 53 warriors that did better)!

I like hunting down every little advantage I can get, but I do wish I could play Night Fae because their armor set looks way, way better than the hideous and goofy Venthyr set Iā€™m stuck with never using. Iā€™d even take Kyrian because I love their swords. Single target Venthyr win every time though so Iā€™m kind of stuck.

Iā€™ve been denied from many M+ groups because the meta said arms warriors are bad, yet in almost every M+ dungeon Iā€™ve run Iā€™ve either been first or second in overall DPS because I am a very skillful player (though I do struggle with some affixes that Iā€™m trying to get better at). I ended up putting my own team together so we can chase down that keystone master because pugging it was pretty much impossible for me. Thatā€™s just the name of the game though. Gotta take the initiative because nobody is gonna do it for you!

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If I dont know you or how you perform, Iā€™d rather have a Fire Mage over a Frost Mage (for example).

The meta has changed in Vanilla v Classic because people have played classic for 15 years and know more about the game now than people who played it for 1-2.

It doesnā€™t change the fact that a meta existed in Classic, long before the word eSports was ever uttered on the forums, let alone became the boogeyman that it is today.

what do you expect when a guild called elitist jerks takes over development?

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queueing for M+, covenant usually comes into play if the group doesnt already have the dungeonā€™s covenant bonus covered. RaiderIO is to determine experience levelā€¦No one wants to burn their key to carry a pug.

Best cure for elitismā€¦make friends that play in your style. Forcing people to play at your level by removing their ability to determine that will only increase hostility.

No one cares about the other MMOs enough to have sims and addons like WoW has. There is an industry based on WoWā€¦think of the websites, streamers, professional players, etcā€¦

Some players, not all, are going to want to perform at max level. This is not an issue.

If you donā€™t want to equip BIS gear or pick the covenant you want, then donā€™t do it. Why does it matter? Itā€™s just not realistic to expect other people who are going to want to eek out the most of their characters to yield to you.

Everyone should just play the game the way they want. Itā€™s just a game.

If you think of WoW as an industry, like say a professional sports league then it makes sense. If you want to run the ball in football, you put in the guy who is 6ā€™0 and 225, not the guy who is 5ā€™5 and 175 lb. Itā€™s all about putting yourself in the best position to succeed (success being defined by clearing the content).

ban damage meters? damage meters are like cheating in the olympic sports?
You do realize professional sports hire people to run stats to help determine who to recruit and play right?

Last time i played with someone who hated on boss modsā€¦he ended up loading them.

Unless you are FF14 and outright ban it. To do a lot of DPS calculations, people do things with APM and BiS gear calculations.

Like there is no sims for that game simply because SE doesnt want them to have it.

They ban addons?

Never played.

They have no addons, its just outright restricted. A majority of the mods available for the game are mostly cosmetic simply because thats what the playerbase has access too.

Iā€™m very elitist at the barā€¦ you have to have a blood alcohol rating of 0.5 minimum to join my groupā€¦hic!

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Seems like a mistake. Addons enhance gameplay. Maybe they just build in what would be popular addons to the game?

No, they just dont want anything of the WoW addon sort in their game.