They stated one, but you missed it. In FFXIV you can do dungeons with NPCs to learn mechanics while playing the game. No need to watch videos on it. The rewards aren’t as good, but it’s a fun way to learn fights.
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pretty sure stuns and other CDs do show up on the meters…and anyone that is too busy looking at the meters isnt topping them nor doing mechanics to be able remain on top. In M+, i routinely swap between dps, hps, interrupts, and dispels.
Destroyed the game? they’ve been in the game from the start.
So is it elitist if I insist on using a hammer on a nail instead of a screwdriver, because that is exactly what you are saying.
You missed a keyword: optimal. I have played ffxiv for 6 years and no you can not learn to play optimally using only in game tools. The non savage/extreme content is just tuned so low that it doesn’t matter. Go into savage just winging it and see how far you get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK5m5yhjbeY&feature=emb_title
Imagine being this out-of-touch with your co-creator’s tone.
Elitism exists because people think they earned things.
The game kinda broke away from the old community model because the gaming industry broke away from it with QoL changes. Matchmaking, is probably the biggest driver of this, and other smaller things like reducing down time.
Elitism then comes when players who think they’re as good a X play with players who clearly are not, it shows a stark difference of where they are, but those same players sometimes act as if you’re not where they are you’re bad. Well in their opinion you’re bad, but objectively? No. It’s a effin game.
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Then the cycle repeats itself.
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No other mmo has a meaningful competitive PvE system. There is a reason I’m playing this game and not those games, and it’s because this game doesn’t treat it’s PvE player base like invalids. It has actual challenging pve content that requires it’s players to actually pull their heads out of their rear and put in some work .
RaiderIO exists because if LFR M+ existed it would be a damned miserable experience. 99% of these elitism rants are essentially just bad players getting mad that good players don’t want to carry them and that the community holds them to certain standards.
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Is it elitist if you eat a pizza with a knife and fork instead of using your hands? Because that’s much closer to what I’m saying than your straw man “analogy.” Nonoptimal is not the same as impossible.
I said optimal. At a basic level, you can learn everything in wow in game. You don’t need to watch a video, the dungeon journal is enough. You can come up with a rotation by looking at abilities.
However, that’s not optimal. In order for optimal play to be done entirely in-game that means there’s zero benefit to knowledge. That’s not the case in ffxiv nor any other game I can think of. I actually tried to come up with examples of this, and couldn’t. ffxiv is 100% not an example of this.
Who said anything about optimal? You can’t even complete half the ingame content without having to alt tab to Wowhead! You interjected an aspect of the argument that never even existed.
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Sure you can. It takes slightly longer, that’s it. You can also complete raid content via DJ + wiping. Same with dungeons and most other content. If the target is not optimality, the content is completable in game.
Whether the community is okay with you wasting their time learning in-game is a completely unrelated issue, which doesn’t relate to game design.
Not at all, you can eat with your hands or a fork and knife with equal ease. You can’t, however, hammer a nail with a screwdriver as well as you can with a hammer. Can you do it? Sure. Is it unnecessarily more difficult? Absolutely.
Unless you somehow have some proof that dps makes mobs not drop sanguine pools on melee or makes the need for rogues group stealth not needed then sorry, but your analogy is bad.
People who use the term elitist nowaadays not jokingly are just baaaad. How you gonna call just a better player looking for players of same skill level that
That’s pretty much the definition of an elitist: someone who regards themselves as powerful and wishes to only associate with others who are equally powerful. Of course players are going to call elitists elitists! What else would you call them? There are three types of players:
A. Normal players who treat a game like a game and are more than happy to carry others who may not be as experienced or skillful.
B. Lazy players who just want to be carried.
C. Elitists who refuse to carry others.
Most players these days fall into the B and C category, and they perceive everyone else (correctly or incorrectly) as falling into the B category. Ironically enough, half the players who fancy themselves are part of the C category have no idea that they’re really part of the B category. Back in the day, most players fell into the A category, but most have been ostracized to the point where they don’t even want to play this game anymore.
To be quite honest, the most fun I’ve had this expansion pack was a Sanguine Depths Mythic0 where all the DPS died to the final boss, leaving me and the tank to two-man it. Not only did I get great practice on the mechanics, but I really felt like much more of a hero when we took the boss down ourselves than I ever will in a higher level Mythic where the boss goes down in a minute and a half or less.
Thats definitely not the definition of an elitist… Just shows how bad players see people better than them for not getting their 200ilvl char invited to a +18 dungeon. Hahaha
They’re just jealous because we have things going on outside of the game and they don’t.
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That is literally the definition of an elitist, as defined in the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
Definition of elitist (Entry 2 of 2) - of or relating to elites or elitism such as:
a) giving special treatment and advantages to wealthy and powerful people
b) regarding other people as inferior because they lack power, wealth, or status
hehe wow has always been about elitists…
i remember my sister used to get on her super rare mount and just go afk in ironforge back in the day lmao (she had a raven lord in early tbc so it was kind of a perk lol)
(no she wasn’t “afk” :p)
Sounds like you’re getting pretty elitist about language
Let him use language the way they want to
I can’t tell if you’re being cute or willfully ignorant. He’s the one claiming that others are misusing the term:
I’m the one pointing out that their use of the term is completely consistent with the definition. Using language the way you want is one thing, but disparaging others for properly using language is quite another.
Still sounds like language elitism to me
I feel like his use of words illustrated the point in the context of the conversation