Whoa, a company that actually considers its playerbase and does not turn every decision into how much money they can squeeze out of their players and how much money they can make for their shareholder capitalism?
This is something that WoW would know nothing about.
So you mean like a god? In basically every other setting?
Stronger by whorship and sacrifice of energy / magic, tempering things, growing in power based on the manifestation of the desires of their worshipers? Granting power to those that whorship them? By making them more powerful? Gee…
Wow, still sounds really much like a god-like figure to me.
So… gods?
They’re gods bro. You pray to them and your prayer makes them stronger.
Yes, Good King Moogle isn’t the actual same Good King Moogle from times past, but the primal being who is prayed to is an immortal, ethereal being of magic given physical substance.
I’m pretty sure a big part of the story later on is to challenge the idea of what makes a primal a primal and a god a god because there’s this whole fight in universe over the eikons being manifestations of aether that bleed aether from the world and need to be destroyed because otherwise their very existence threatens everyone and there fundamentally isn’t a difference between the gods the ‘civilized’ races worship vs those the beast tribes summon as primals
But anyway this isn’t the FF lore forum so whatever I guess lol
Explain Shiva then.
Cool. Glad you enjoy it and like it better. For me, FFXIV is pretty bad for many reasons. Don’t need to give my laundry list but WoW definitely is miles better than that game. IMO SWtOR, Rift and ESO are better than FFXIV also.
What about it? You’re just being pedantic about what a “God” is. Is it a concern about the “continuity” of the being?
Look, the best way I can explain it is that you have genes and you have memes. Memes, and not the goofy online kind, are simply ideas that reproduce by situating themselves in the mind of a host and having themselves projected to other minds through speech or action. Just as we transfer genes from one generation to the next, we transfer memes throughout our culture.
What the primals are, in essences, are memes given flesh. The belief of the thing gives it form. It’s like if thinking about George Washington summoned an avatar of him - it wouldn’t be the same person as the one who founded our country, but as long as we all had the same idea about who he was, that avatar would in essence be the same person.
You can’t really kill an idea. You can kill the manifestation of that idea, but you can’t kill the idea itself. Thus, the idea, and the “essence” of the being summoned by that idea, is effectively immortal as long as it persists in the minds of the devout. An immortal being summoned and strengthened by prayer sounds like a god to me.
I wish I could enjoy FFIV more. Along with some coworkers, I bought it as soon as A Realm Reborn launched, played for a couple of months, but it just couldn’t hold my attention long term. I picked it up again a year or so later for a month when an IRL friend wanted to try it out, but, again, my interest petered out quickly. I gave it another shot early this year with two other friends who have consistently played for a few years and bought shadowbringers. Still, again, though I do have some fun playing it; I like most of the world, enemy, and character designs; the controller support is nice to have because of some left-side nerve damage I have; the classes are fine; and the community is pretty friendly, yet, I still just can’t stick with that game. I can’t put my finger on directly why, but it doesn’t take very long for me to get bored with it.
I play both and ESO but only really have stamina to stick around long in the late game of WoW.
FFXIV has great story and characters, complex rotations, and lots of content. However, due to the spaghetti code that game was built on sometimes content feels…stiff? And there is no way to customize your gameplay in FFXIV. You will use the same abilities as every other player of your class. Rotations are sometimes TOO complicated for my taste and because the rotations are harder the bosses are more predictable.
Exploring the overland isn’t hugely rewarding in FFXIV unless you’re a crafter (in which case you are not set up to fight, bring your war class’s gear so you can switch).
I think the stiffness to me comes up mostly in that overland exploration. You CAN find crafting nodes and you CAN find chests but you have to be a gatherer class or doing maps. You can’t just stumble into things because you have to be engaging in a certain mode of play.
WoW has more fluidity and polish, sometimes too much.
…FFXIV has great spectacle fights and music, though, aces there.
Rip me, it’ll be closed by the time I’m home and can make a character there.
Whenever you play a game for the first time, it’s going to be fun for a bit.
It’s the “honeymoon phase” of that game. People that play wow for the first time will enjoy 100% for a bit. You get sick of things over time, burnt out
I don’t mind anime cartoons but I just can’t with videogames usually. I would try PSO2 when its out, but mostly for the nostalgia I have with PSO
I honestly enjoyed ARR more than Shadowbringers.
Shadowbringers completely kills the medievil fantasy theme (plus technologically advanced empire common to FF games) with the heavy metal guitar riffs, dub step, etc. music. Turns more into a FF8 style sci-fi. Shadowbringers for me is extremely overrated. Melodramatic story too. I prefer the Garlean narrative.
A god is not a power level. This isn’t about semantics. The story makes a point that the primals are not the gods that people thought they were. You’re dismissing that whole point because you have your own idea of what a god is. I don’t care what you think a god is.
You’re missing the point. You’re so stuck on what a specific character said, about their faith being shaken because the Primals weren’t exactly what they wanted them to be, and that that is somehow proof that they aren’t what the word describes.
If one character had a fantasy about what a duck was - twenty feet tall, razor sharp talons, shooting laser beams from its eyes - and then they actually came across what a duck actually is and they were heart broken and shaken… that doesn’t mean that what we know the word duck to mean is diminished if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.
The point is we have words in the English language. Primals are essentially lesser deities in any common sense. Simply because they didn’t participate in the founding of the universe but are instead magical immortal beings conjured by the faith of their followers doesn’t make them something that is less than worthy of worship.
Trials are the only thing like this. Dugeons are just like wow 3-4 bosses with trash in between trials are usually just there as quick boss fights against summons from previous ff games. There is loading screens between zones but its no worse than phasing in wow or going into instances.
It’s a very simple narrative. Primals are presented to you as gods of various tribes. As you progress through the narrative, you learn first that there are more primals than you were told. Then you learn that primals don’t necessarily have to be totems of tribes. Then the characters themselves begin to discover that they can use this “primal power” for themselves which is really just a whole hell of a lot of ether and a strong enough will to manifest yourself into this monster. They’re not gods. There may very well not be any gods in the FF14 universe. The big reveal in Shadowbringers is all about that.
Every corporation does. If the CEOs say otherwise they are lying.
I could say similar things about GW2 and claim its superiority as it has some very rich features that wow lacks.
But. After playing it for a year I realized it was missing too much and I came back.
Lots of games are “better than wow” but no one can keep up with the sheer size of their content updates, no one values the holy trinity as highly, and honestly no game feels quite as “smooth”. And with 15+ years of content even a vet player like myself is missing achievments.
the best part of ffxiv’s story is when the dude loses his arm in the first expansion, then runs around like a lunatic swinging his weapon. that aside, the story put me to sleep