Wow, doesn't feel like Warcraft anymore?

/nods

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it’s what killed ibm in the 1980’s.

in the very late 1970’s ibm began only hiring women and minorities, did not expect them to work, and near quintupled the workload of veterans to make up for it.

what happened was expected:
in the late 80’s and early 1990’s, veteran employees stole all company secrets and sold them to the highest bidder; ibm was so in the tubes they could not afford the IP lawyers and eventually had to be liquidated.

who bought the company secrets? microsoft and apple, using government money.

who did the liquidated ibm get sold to? the communist party of china.

This was an intended, worked-for result, not accidental.

you might not know this but all major aerospace and auto manufacturers have been going the ibm route for close to 20 years now; about a decade ago a large portion of boeing was sold to the royal family of saudi arabia. Most corporations these days are proudly owned by the chinese goverment, or the aformentioned saudis, if not acting as a front for the us or eu like gm and airbus are.

it’s only gotten worse since then. something bad has been happening for a very long time, and you only have not noticed any of it because the media has done a wonderful job playing interception. when you are finally allowed to witness what has been gestating, you will think the world has ended.

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what a company should do is hire people who are the best at what they do and only the best. qualified only i dont care if their minority women or men or trans or what ever as long as they are qualified and leave their irl ideology out of the job and do the best job. leave personal life at home.

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I think you are missing the catastrophic point.

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you mean the fact they are not doing that right now?

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What is esg?

its something big international companies use and is pushed by investing companies. look more into it im bad at explaining things.

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My point is that there are bigger problems than a lack of fairness or merit you were conditioned to desire.

The Good thing is that the ones doing all the harm cannot survive under their own regime as is, and their “end of history” was a dud.

there will be a terrible cataclysm, an immediate collapse, and then things will be more clear.

its a good thing metzen is back though it seems like they had to beg him to comeback out of retirement. i heard rumors alot of newer employees dont like his vision despite the player base liking it i hope its just that rumors and nothing real.

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Legion was very “Warcraft” because it was literally a Burning Legion expansion which is inherently Warcraft-specific.

BfA was a mishmash of various leftover classic Warcraft locations and plotlines. I mean, come on. South Seas, Azshara / Nazjatar, N’zoth, all at once? So it was a bit of a mess but of course felt like Warcraft.

But here’s the thing. Those 2 expansions pretty much devoured the last of the key concepts left hanging from the RTS / Early WoW. Pretty much everything after that point HAS to be new territory, so it’s going to inherently feel “less Warcraft” because it’s not borrowing big names and locations we’ve been hearing about for years.

Even “Dragon Isles” isn’t something core to Warcraft, it was a scrapped idea from back in the TBC era that never happened and had next to no details. It’s just another post-Warcraft brand new thing.

I think WoW players got too used to the game slowly pushing out dangling bits from the RTS. I don’t really think it’s fair to say it’s “not Warcraft anymore” just because those ran out.

Unless you’re wanting a Faction Conflict expansion every expansion or something?

I do think Blizzard could stand to re-use more existing areas instead of making a new island continent every single expansion, and that might help this feeling, but at the same time, you KNOW the second they start doing that, the other half of the playerbase will start complaining that they’re being lazy and that the game is dying and in maintenance mode.

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the shadowlands cinematic onlt had one line “this world is a prison.”

that was a message from the writing staff because they can’t write warcraft and don’t want to admit it.

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This made me think of the Apple movie. Risk management. Does Blizzard even see the long term? Time and time again, what I read on here is a current culture myopic vision of WoW when old Blizz put in the long term goal. It didn’t shy away from quality over quantity. Just because they are billionaires doesn’t make them capable of good decisions. Too many take too much off the top for profit and care nothing for IP, brand loyalty, and the audience it serves.

This is what happens when you become super successful. The garage days, the indie days are gone. They want minimal effort for maximum return. Heck, even the players want everything for minimal effort. Strip away everything down to a skeletal level and somehow expect full functionality.

I watched the previous owner of my job at a NEMT run the business into the ground because of greed. 6 figures for all at the top. Yet, trucks were broken, offices had no running water, no trash pickup, no supplies, no linen to replace, and lied to us until the last minute before going bankrupt saying business was booming.

You have to put money and resources into the business. Not constantly cut corners. Eventually you have no more corners. And for what? So you could have a top of the pickup truck? I was the face the patients saw and facilities saw. I was yelled at and berated for being late. And dispatch threw us under the bus. We were expendable/replaceable until there were none left willing to put up with it.

I’m off track, but the game is simply not being managed by gamers. It’s been managed by people who don’t even play.

This brings us to a crucial point - the importance of a well-prepared and properly trained board of directors. The board’s role and commitment should not be solely focused on one individual or short-term financial gains, but rather on the long-term success of the company as a whole. The complex and multifaceted dynamics of boardroom decision-making and leadership should always be carefully considered to ensure the best outcomes for the company’s future.

:ocean: :dragon: :ocean: :dragon:

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if you watch the documentaries surrounding wow’s pre activision days, including the ones that came bundled with collector’s editions, it’s clear that the higher ups at blizzard were not really involved in the game.

it’s only once the game became a runway success that the higher ups took credit and fired all the unsupervised underlings that actually made the game what it was.

in other words, metzen is the problem not the solution. it was better when he was scared in his office smoking weed.

It was stupid edgelord bait.

Riding on the success of others. All the while claiming you are a valuable asset.

:ocean: :dragon: :ocean: :dragon:

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It was an honest statement of intent, as they shattered arthas’ crown, and then the very last line of the expansion was “arthas menethil, may your name forever fade into obscurity.”

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So, class, this is a wonderful example of a host of logical fallacies.

We’ve got “Appeal to masculinity/misogyny” with insults to women, we’ve got “Appeal to Popularity” with the statement about praise, we have “Conflating correlation and causation” with the WoD cinematic reference.

Truly a masterpiece of … being a terrible argument.

Personally, don’t get me wrong, I think the story has been pretty “meh” at best lately. But, by Jehovah, it’s fantastic to see someone spew so much regurgitated offal onto a keyboard. It’s like watching a train wreck in real time.

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No kid, it’s you reading way too much into this.

Sylvanas was saying stupid edgelord things to appeal to the stupid edgelords who simp’d for her throughout BFA.

Further, the last line in the expansion would be her welcoming Anduin to have his rest in the Maw with her so you aren’t even right with that.

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You’re just as bad as Buckshot with these dumb buzzwords. :man_facepalming:

I am most likely older than you.

it’s a statement of intent by the writers.

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