Personally, I think it’s a broad ranged conspiracy against our civilizations culture, wow is just one medium that has tendrils wrapped around it.
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Also, The writing in this expansion has actually been really good in spots; Like for my money The conversation between Emberthal and Ebyssian might actually be the best scene in the history of the game because instead of trying to wow me with explosions and power and mammary we just have these two characters dealing with the hurt from their ancestry.
Yes, we get it you need depictions of masculinity that are at the tipping point of negative integer values (and thus becoming unintentionally homerotic) in order to appreciate the game.
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No wonder this game is dying
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I’d be plenty happy with just normal masculinity, and so would the millions of others who have left the franchise.
But instead we have powerful dragons written like soap opera characters for women and soyjacks. It’s not popular at all.
That is why despite all of the games improvements and great systems in dragonflight, it did terribly in sales. The wider audience and player base saw the marketing, they saw the tone of the expansion, they laughed at the new race, and didn’t buy the game.
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I’m actually quite surprised to hear someone praise any of the story beats of the 10.1 patch. That’s legitimately the first time I’ve heard someone praise that scene.
If you consider the fact that that particular theme, of the black dragons feeling shame of the sins of their ancestors, is simply an allegory for white guilt, then I guess it would make sense that a small portion of the players might find it interesting. But as I said, this is literally the first time I’ve heard someone praise that scene, so it can’t be that many people that it resonates with.
I got a sneaking suspicion from the onset of this expansion that it would have undertones of “tackling the climate crisis”, due to the Primalists and their hatred of the Titans. Should be interesting to see how the Emerald Dream-themed upcoming patch plays into my suspicions.
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The game does feel like the devs are shoehorning in real life politics in areas.
The story in SL and DF has been some of the most boring and uninteresting video game writing I have ever seen.
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Yes indeed. I actually love Classic era for that, and when I level new characters on retail, i prefer the classic zones (though I’d much rather the pre-cata versions)
RE: story. I actually prefer the story I make as the unnamed adventurer in Classic compared to the “I am buddies with Thrall, Jaina and Anduin and we kill Gods”.
I am hoping they can bring warcraft back to the Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms.
Breathe life into them again and stay there for future expansions. Figure out a way to keep the original azeroth alive and well.
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Because there is actually maturity and depth driving away the kiddies who need LOUD NOISE FLASHING LIGHT!!111! and aren’t getting it?
Then you should be satisfied because there’s plenty of it all over the place.
Except there not? Like the Aspects haven’t been “all powerful” for a long, long time with us as players being linked to the deaths of 4 of them; This expansion is very much about them trying to recover that lost strength as part of the core theme of rebirth, which you would have noticed if you didn’t need a bunch of hulking husbando’s to make you happy.
I’m sure that the MMORPG genre shrinking year by year and the diminishment of Covid forcing people to remain at home for extended periods of time.
I’m able to appreciate that they’re attempting to tell a more nuanced story then they have in the past and so far, the writing is honestly pretty good IMHO; It’s not the greatest I’ve ever seen but it beats the breaks off of the last two expansions.
To me, It’s an understanding that you have some craptacular people in your family tree and having to figure out how to be better then that; This is a message that can resonate with people of any ethnicity, religion, nationality or sexuality.
Doesn’t really read that way to me; Like the Incarnates strike me as being a case of the road not travelled looping back and merging into your own, with all the baggage that that entails.
And as I’ve argued countless times in the past: In WoW’s lore, the greater forces are all just different kinds of bad for the residents of the universe; the Fel would mutate everyone beyond recognition, The void would drive us all completely insane, the Arcane would revert us all to some pure titan construct status devoid of true sentience, the Light would remove the possibilty of alternate views, the Elementals would reduce the planet to an utterly unstable mass, death would be the end of everything and Nature would just lead to life going completely out of control.
The Incarnates in seeking to obliterate the titans influence are basically an existential threat to every living thing on the planet.
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I just miss Garrosh so damn much. 
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Guilt is probably a lot older than people being white.
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It would have been far more interesting if they were proud of deathwing and all that the black dragonflight did. No apologies for standing by your blood. They needed more Tywin Lannister energy.
Instead of an interesting take on the black dragonflight, we got a gay couple bickering for two patches.
As soon as there was an introduction of wrathian and the other guy there should have been a fight to the death or some other kind of resolution. It took far, far too long for the conflict to resolve.
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It reminds me of that episode in the Simpsons where Marge complains about Itchy & Scratchy being too violent, so she demands changes, but then the show becomes so boring that the kids went outside and played instead of watching that garbage.
That’s exactly what I’ve been doing for a while now. My playtime has shrunk 95%.
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That’s a great scene. Seem familiar?
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Written for feminine minds? The vast majority of fantasy / sci fi video game players are guys. Why would they write for females?
you can be a man with a feminine mind
just look at luca
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…you mean the two brothers?!?
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That’s an accurate depiction of how the launch went for me.
I am glad that a number of other people are enjoying it, but it’s not something that interests me. I’m just subbed to be able to chat here at the moment.
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on paper yea
but instead we got these two bickering ninnies for months. I don’t get it. There should have been a challenge and fight at the end of the waking shores storyline. What on Earth were they waiting for?? Just fight it out and be done with it, and have the storyline be something like Mufasa vs Scar after its settled, with treachery etc. One having to watch his back.
These are giant dragons competing for a throne. Its ridiculous. No we gotta sit in the wagon with them while they bicker like women.
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I agree with a lot of your takes, but comments like this make people don’t take you serious. This is some 1950s era misogyny here.
You can criticize the writing without having to resort to dumb insults, that make you look like some 1950s mob boss.
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its not misogyny you dont even know what that is otherwise you wouldnt even be playing wow if you did heck or games in general online what they said is correct you just dont like the fact their opinion also just happens to be correct
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