Would you enjoy Preach's WoW?

[Dexterworgen-nordrassil]

It’s in the player profile somewhere. I never actually done it myself so I’m unsure but someone mentioned that. So it’s not possible if someone has that part turned off.

[Ddzz-illidan]

Tomorrow job. Good night.

[Dexterworgen-nordrassil]

Found it, it’s in activity, you click where it says Normal, then scroll down to ignore. I will miss having conversations with you. Even if we don’t ever agree.

[Antísthénés-tichondrius]

except that isn’t true…like…crit chance is rng.

random events in dungeons are rng.

procs are rng…which pre-wod wow had all of those things so.

not seeing the argument.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

That’s just what’s going to end up here, all it’s going to do is rift the community more not less

[Dexterworgen-nordrassil]

And yet, with those things you can’t say you are exactly the same. RNG makes it so someone else can be .000001% better then you because of luck. Or more depending on how RNGesus views you.

[Antísthénés-tichondrius]

that’s the point though…there was less rng pre wod and yet rng still existed. therefore people were still “different” by that logic.

so it’s not true to say that without new rng elements introduced in legion etc characters would be all the same

[Dexterworgen-nordrassil]

Ah, you are going from a stand point of what was. Not the standpoint of what the answer means when he said Yes to a very specific question. I understand now. Under that light, your point of view is correct.

[Antísthénés-tichondrius]

it’s not really about the specific question though. it’s about the general concept.

could we have less rng and have we had less rng and were classes and builds still different.

the answer is yes

[Asumah-frostmourne]

Talk about hyperbole.

All he wants is a game where all that matters is gear and skill, pure gear, not corrupted or random affixes.

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

Talk for yourself

I like the play style of doing low damage spam attacks to proc gushing wounds before I blow all my CDs on someone

[Arcinon-stormrage (Arcinon)]

I could be wrong but maybe Preach is talking about the several layers of direct damage related effects that are Rng, which he does have a point. Just looking at bfa, a player can have around 20 things going off in the background from trinkets, azerite traits, essences and corruptions. Some people dont like looking at meters and seeing that a lot of their damage was by chance.

[Antísthénés-tichondrius]

procs existed in tbc too…like i said not seeing the argument. just wasn’t as much overall rng

[Nippyss-barthilas (Nippyss)]

And I was being very sarcastic hahaha

[Tibbles-bigglesworth]

No, that sounds pretty boring. The fun with WoW is that you can customize your character. I know several other MMO’s that don’t have that option and your character plays just like everyone else.

Having options is fun.

[Yukine-kilrogg (Yukine)]

Here’s a transcript of that section:

Ion: Getting back to strengths and weaknesses… I guess… A question for you as a representative of a large portion of the high-end competitive community, I think… a trend and something that we have seen on the development team on a regular basis as feedback is the desire to eliminate sources of variance. To eliminate any form of the “dreaded RNG”, anything that removes control from the player. Do you feel like it’s an ideal endpoint for every hunter who is doing a mythic raid encounter, across the world really, to basically be the same in terms of their stats, their abilities, and the only difference among them is who can push their buttons more effectively and who can execute the mechanical aspects of the class?

Preach: I don’t see why that would not be the case. I mean, personally, for me the difference between someone who chooses at any point, and this kinda falls back into the discussion we’ve had, is that… Over the last couple of expansions, you’ve certainly muddied the waters of what we enjoy at the high-end. And a lot of players don’t realize it, but it’s been happening since… round about Legion, late-WoD when more RNG came into it. And for a lot of us, we genuinely felt so dissatisfied with our own characters because of the changes that you guys made. And one of the greatest fun aspects of it was being able to compete directly-and I can speak from personal experience–is, I would compete directly with Razzy*–Um, I was a Death Knight, and he was a Death Knight–and to see exactly we–I know he’s got the same as me, I’ve got the same as him, and we’re trying as hard as we can to outdo each other. And we’re not in the same raid, we’re not even on the same realm, we’re on complete different time zones. But we can do that. And then we feel like I’m a good player. Now what I can tell you is personally, I gave up DPSing late WoD because we were doing Blackhand and we’d had two hundred pulls and at no point was my DPS consistent. And what that meant was that I can be as good as I want to be, I can plan as far ahead as I want to plan, and the result isn’t in my hands anymore. And that made me very dissatisfied; and certainly it also becomes a bit of a meme when we have Infinite Stars then come into the game. And abilities like that, where we’re just looking at it, saying, “Who’s in control here? Is the compu… Am I just running around?” One thing I do have is video evidence: I have never done more damage on my character than I did before we killed N’Zoth. And I have gained ten item levels since then. Purely down to RNG and it’s extraordinarily dissatisfying to have that experience. For me, this is what’s very strange about this whole thing, is one of the big feedbacks we have from WoD–which a lot of people dislike for various reasons–but the classes: super simple. You kept it super simple, you gave us some wonderful new spells, and class design was great! People could swap, we could just change and reroll. Just get some gear and off you go to the races. What we didn’t have was people [garbled*] in their bedroom, so they could go and farm AP, or doing world quests over and over again. And now we’re looking at the high-end, certainly this time, where it looks much, much worse.

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Preach is very clearly railing against anything that won’t allow him to compare himself to others. He wants to be able to compare himself to other players and see that he’s a good player. He says,

[O]ne of the greatest fun aspects of it was being able to compete directly-and I can speak from personal experience–is, I would compete directly with Razzy*–Um, I was a Death Knight, and he was a Death Knight–and to see exactly we–I know he’s got the same as me, I’ve got the same as him, and we’re trying as hard as we can to outdo each other. …[W]e can do that. And then we feel like I’m a good player.

He can’t do that with RNG in the picture. He specifically complains about RNG on Blackhand in Legion and then again on N’Zoth. He can’t do that with gear in the picture either. He wants everyone to have the same gear, the same talents, the same abilities. That was what Ion asked about. He wants to be able to measure himself against others. He’s quite clear about that.

Personally, I don’t find anything satisfying in that approach, but clearly he does and certainly others do as well.

*I couldn’t completely make these parts out, perhaps someone else can fill those in.

[Dexterworgen-nordrassil]

There will always be people that like homogenization. This is mostly people in the game for competition and not general gameplay type of fun.

[Schwartzy-wyrmrest-accord]

I watched that interview, and is typical of the guy, Preach spent more time talking about himself than WoW or asking Ion about the game. Bloke is straight up self-obsessed.

His version of WoW seems incredibly boring, and the antithesis to what an RPG is about. I think Overwatch is more his speed.

[Yukine-kilrogg (Yukine)]

I felt like HotS was more his type of thing. He seemed to enjoy figuring out what the meta should be and then executing it flawlessly. Overwatch won’t let you customize your loadout, except in terms of which characters you’d bring, HotS lets you choose a few talents to use as well.

[Telar-stormreaver]

I wouldn’t enjoy Preech’s version, just like I’m not enjoying Ion’s version.