Cata’s bad parts were long term, since they messed with everything so much.
The bad parts of, say, Warlords of Draenor, are at least contained to its own silliness.
Who gives a crap?
Thread title: “Would you be upset if they retconned Shadowlands?”
My post:
Retcon both.
Such as? Come on, if you gonna make a bold claim like this, at least explain yourself.
Even then what you might consider bad someone else might have a different opinion instead.
I would not be upset in the slightest.
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Killing Cairne and putting the nitwit in charge.
In which sense? I know the Thrall one definitely counts, killing poor Cairne and making Garrosh a warchief. But what else besides that?
By comparison, Shadowlands made Elune looks either like a complete piece of crap with what she did to elves or the biggest idiot ever for that reason, it disrespected existing characters, old characters and it introduced retcons that screwed up timescales, continuity and so many things from before, and it still has many ramifications going all the way to Dragonflight. It doesn’t make any sense under any kind of scrunity at all.
That’s because its an alternate timeline. But Shadowlands is not. How are we supposed to take death as a real, serious thing again when we’ve seen what death looks like? And what’s the emotional impact of having a major character dead when we can just go over and meet them in the shadowlands? It screws up so many things, not just plot holes and continuity.
Its just a fact
I’d be happy to sacrifice cata if Shadowlands is gone. That one i can 100% agree with you.
Technically that was in ‘The Shattering’, which is a novel. Not Cata the expansion. So you are calling cata bad for something a novel did.
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It rekt the felwood that most players never saw after vanilla anyway!
I see it. Only because I hunt a rare pet there on the cata hunter. Once found…I will never see all the goblins trashing the place again lol.
Being real honest…I don’t care for any felwood. Pre or post cata. that falls under the horrible memories of the slog that is older 40 to 55 leveling I repress.
If you’re getting this upset with my posts and engaging with me… maybe just don’t respond to me? If I’m a troll then flag my posts and move on. Or you can add to the thread, as I have been. It’s really not difficult.
This was an odd choice by the devs for sure, but the fan reaction to him was equally strange. It was never a big deal, people just made it into a big deal.
Pineapple on pizza is amazing if done right.
For me, destroying old beloved zones, and having very little payoff for doing so.
They can keep some of the basic ideas but the less they mention it going forward, the better.
1_ He’s the supposed mastermind behind every big scale tragedy in the Warcraft Universe, no matter how little sense it makes.
2_ No personality whatsoever.
3_nonsensical motivations.
4_ Looks generic as hell, especially after he becomes complete or something at the end of 9.1 raid.
5_ Never came off as anything threatening at all.
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Lol, upset? Always with the assumptions… you came in here to argue and 
, I called you on it and now you’re trying to project? You just can’t stop embarrassing yourself, can you?
Not really. But only if I can buy all the cosmetics for bronze.
All of your points are fine, but I was specifically talking about the nips. It was an odd inclusion, but the fan reaction… just as strange.
He did come off as threatening, but it felt incredibly rushed. And the buildup of his character was really bad, because he was an insert into a story that was already told successfully.
Oh, also, his death was completely unsatisfying as well, so the payoff was also an issue.
It’s just when he’s so forgettable and pathetic of a villain that all the people can remember about him is his strange design, well. There is your explanation.
“Nothing escapes the Maw.” Cue the players leaving within five minutes of that boast.
We faced him at the end of the Sepulcher raid, canon-wise, and the first time we fight him for real, we just straight up kill him.
For comparison, The first time we faced Arthas in Halls of Reflection, we had our asses handed to us and we had to run. The second time he flat out killed us and nearly succeeded in resurrecting us as his slaves until Tirion finally stopped being AFK and broke out of the ice block and shattered Frostmourne.
For Deathwing, we had to first tear apart his plates, then fight him in the maelstrom, and even then the power of the aspects and Thrall was required to actually kill him.
For someone who’s supposed to be the big bad of Warcraft who’s super powerful and far above the Lich King, his track record is laughably.
Define Successfully. You’d need to blatantly disregard the numerous plotholes, nonsensical developments and generally atrocious writing for this statement to come as true.
“YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT…IS…COMING” right when literally 100% of his actions and words before this moments never hinted at this and only showed he wanted to conquer and rewrite reality, and he was a evil generic bad guy. So this line makes zero sense in this context.
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It is kind of funny that that’s one of the biggest things he’s remembered for.
He was inserted into the Arthas story, a story that was told successfully.
The zones and quests do establish that there was something much bigger going on and that he wanted to break away form the cosmic cycle.
The Jailer turning into a stone robot and then shutting down… that was really strange.
This was a big issue.
Xal’atath has had more build up to her spot light than mr nipples did.
With cool angle of player attachment for story investment. If I do TWW I will be torn. I liked my spooky female traveling companion in my shadow priest legion weapon.
Attached enough to in time she may be out of line, but she’s right? Very possible.
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Yea, the retconning they did was awful, trying to make it look like he was the one behind everything when we’ve never once heard or had any sign of this presence.
It’s just bad story-telling and character development. They should have started to bring him up a couple expansions ago, at very least if he’s supposed to be this large overarching villain… “Titan++” remember?
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The low angle shots each time he showed up means the first thing you’d be more likely to notice were, well, his nipples. That didn’t help either.
In that context, you are right. Danuser should’ve left Arthas alone and as far away from the shadowlands as possible.
Hell, you have to wonder if the real reason Illidan decided to stay with Sargeras and the titans at the end of Legion was because he wanted to be galaxies away from this ****.
He wanted to enslave the cosmos, he and his minions spoke in a very evil and one-note way that left little to the imagination besides asking who wrote this crap. His actions before his death quote do not match at all with that. Actions speaks louder than words, and in this case, a “conquer-the-cosmos” kind of attitude with no hint of a noble intention behind made it exactly what it was. Not even Christie Golden’s Sylvanas novel could salvage this trainwreck of a storyline.
Hell, Denathrius overpowering and killing The Jailer and taking over as the big bad would’ve been 1000% better. Even if the Dreadlords retcon is complete dog water, Denathrius himself was charming, interesting and a crafty manipulator. He would’ve been a much better big bad than The Jailer himself.
yes . It was one of teh best expanions .
Had me consatntly going back to teh novels , cinimatics , cutscenes , short stories etc to check up on something I remembered that seemed to make no sense originally but with teh events on SL made them clear what was was actually going on