Except not having LFD does not in any way increase those things. People treat dungeons exactly like they do with LFD.
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Maybe Everquest had it right back in the day with no instantiated content whatsoever, that game had a lot more civility, etiquette, and interaction amongst players than anything I’ve ever seen in WoW.
You just asked me if its cool if you do the bare minimum which is expected of you any way.
And you dont ask yourself what environment where everyone is doing the bare minimum fosters.
Saying hi to people is being friendly and nice. Asking for the right to not have to be friendly to people and thinking thats better than being friendly and nice is just too dumb a take for me to respect.
All this does is illuminate a lack of experience, assuming you actually believe it to be true.
RDF groups have a markedly different tone than groups formed pre-RDF.
So why are GDKPs allowed?
A pretty silly and irrelevant question, whos’ answer has 0 implications on the discussion.
What it shows is I’m being objective about what the actual dungeon experience is in Classic and what LFD actually changes.
Unlike you I’m not looking at vanilla through foot thick rose colored glasses or intentionally vilifying what LFD actual does.
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It’s almost like I replied to someone(who isn’t you) and the reply was in context. Try again.
Not even sure what you’re saying anymore. I’m not going out of my way to be friendly, just like I won’t ask you to go out of your way to be antisocial. If you say hi to me, i’ll say it back, but I’m not going to start a whole conversation about the weather or other random meaningless things that all ends up being a waste of time 15 minutes later when the dungeon is over anyway.
I said 
You said 
Once again, you added to and changed the subject and still said nothing. All’s I’m asking for is a YES/NO and you are incapable of answering it.
For the 8th time… If I join your group, is it OK if I say nothing and play my roll as it should be played? YES or NO?
Except…you just aren’t. You plainly aren’t.
I’ve been in plenty of groups in Classic Era and TBC. This can’t be contested.
I’ve also used the RDF, throughout it’s lifespan in all the relevant expansions it existed. I’ve even used RDF quite a bit in current Shadowlands.
The experiences, from a social perspective, are anything but identical. This is just a patently false thing to say, colored by your bias towards trying to win the logic war.
They are not similar. At all, and you’re blatantly disingenuous to assert that they are.
What’s all this talk about talking? Social is part perception. You don’t need to necessarily talk to someone in order to feel social. Sometimes just knowing someone is on the same server is enough.
Sometimes just recognizing the guild tag might be enough. Might sound weird, but I’ll give you an example.
I rarely see my family for huge chunks of time. Between taking our kids to lacrosse, swim, soccer, piano, and violin lessons/practices, we also have to make dinner, etc. I help my kids with their homework sometimes. My son doesn’t go to bed until 2am sometimes. Our time is limited. There is no time to really talk. We just shove food in our mouth and move on. Are we less of a family because we don’t have in depth conversations over dinner outside of how was practice, are you tired, are you hungry, you do you homework yet?
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Very good explanation of underlying social dynamics at play that aren’t explicitly “talking about the weather” during a dungeon. Nice post, Xanthak.
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Bruh, we know you ain’t got a family.
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Which so off the mark it isnt even funny because we’re talking about whats lost, not whats being gained - we already know what that is. Set it and forget it grouping with a free teleport and extra badges. Try to stay on topic.
Right, its a lost cause already, I agree. Give me LFD. Im not going to care if no one else is. Gimme the free ride and easy loot, Im totally down man. I dont care enough about Wrath to make friends. Why would I want to befriend people who only cares about what I do on a meter so they dont have to sweat out gearing their character. What a wonderful environment. Its a wonder retail doesnt have 30 millions subs.
This community always advocates for the opposite of whats good for them - I aint bothered.
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Hey Zipzo, looks like your guild finally gave up in Sunwell 
Brutallus too hard?
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I’d argue it’s even worse without LFD, since the process of getting into a group is such an annoying hassle. Players are immediately on edge.
That i can have a different experience than you is proof enough that lack of LFD itself is not is what is creating your experience.
I pug a ton in classic and have in LFD. The reality is nothing about lack of LFD has inherently done anything to create community. Most dungeon runs in classic have people who are quiet and just want to smash the dungeon as fast as possible. They aren’t holding hands singing coom ba yah, sharing deep intimate secrets and forming life long friendships.
And on the same token that’s exactly how most LFD groups go to. They are not the troll filled hell holes some people pretend they are.
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Roster boss, actually. We lost 5 raiders and we have no replacements despite recruitment efforts. Not sure how that’s relevant, though.
I hope outside readers can see clearly that comments like this and…
…this pretty much solely come from the pro-RDF side.
The toxicity is completely real.
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It’s the only argument they can seemingly come up with. Just inventing these phantom trolls who will ruin every LFD experience.
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