That’s the point. Dungeon finder doesn’t cause that to happen.
Yeah I 100% agree LFD Doesn’t cause that to happen It’s people like it or not A system that makes everybody want a rush rush rush and be toxic.
That’s just how some people are and they use LFD for cover as an excuse Now there could be some adjustments done for example like a meeting for people to boot someone instead of 3 but yeah.
Because it’s so damn hard to find decent groups that aren’t gatekeeping anything that’s out of the “sweaty meta”.
Yes, give us the worst part of RDF without any of the benefits.
And I would completely have to disagree especially considering the way people play the game now If like it or not most people do not care about talking in dungeons and making friends.
If we gave that up the minute we said logs in midmaxine And speed running became the norm like it or not I do heroic pugs all the time And I can tell you most people are not patient on top of that the very few Raid pugs that I’ve tried to get in too.
And it doesn’t matter how low level of content we’re talking about like I’m even talking about this with kera and za Most people say if you don’t have at least tier 5 we don’t want you in here.
And mind you I’m a tank A palliden tank on top of that And I have phase 1 bis And there’s nothing else I can buy even from the new badge vendor.
And the moment I mentioned I’ve never been to za That’s where the conversation ends And I’m talking about people that have been spamming for a tank for a good hour and a 1/2.
So This new LFD tool isn’t going to solve any of the problems and the same problems you’re going to run into with random dungeon finder are the same exact issues you’re gonna run in with this in fact it’s going to be worse.
Because the advantage LFD You could still get into groups With A none Meta speck Now Because people can pick and choose everything well.
If you don’t have AOE You’re probably just not getting into groups now you can make the argument well you could always make your own groups OK yeah have fun.
Somebody never joining your group ever unless your friends with a tank Or a healer that’s just not happening And that’s before we talk about gear score Which is going to come back with a thrightful vengeance.
Do you think things are toxic Oh buddy strap in it’s going to be 3 times worse Mark my words people are going to be linking 4K gear score requirement for 10 naxx and At least 3K gear score for heroics.
They’ve said what they’ve said, but it still isn’t convincing nor is it compelling.
It’s not engaging to scan the LFG channel/addons and whisper, “inv” trying to get into a group. It’s not really engaging flying to a dungeon, either.
However, I wouldn’t mind the teleport being removed. But pretty much every modern MMO has their own version of LFD.
Maybe keep heroics and raids off the tool. Let current content normal runs rando-queue after first phase. Raiders will still queue for the daily/reward, enough of us will anyways to help ballast the toxic insanity that inevitably comes with.
Thoughts in this post are wildly popular on the BC Classic server I play on. Not going to name it because I’m pretty sure it’s the only NA server not overran by bots and gbids at this point.
Heroics are essential for end game in wrath. Normals will be dead for max level toons after a week. They need to focus on keeping people playing once they hit 80. Better gear is the carrot we’re chasing.
It’s more engaging to do all of that than it is to wait in a lobby queue.
You keep saying this as if we aren’t playing a CLASSIC version of a game…
Isn’t the dungeon itself gatekeeping players from the rewards? Everything that facilitates a challenge, or a level requirement, or some obstacle that needs to be overcome to reach a goal is gatekeeping.
When I hear gatekeeping in a negative context, it’s usually when players are doing it to each other. There’s so much gatekeeping in this game by design.
Maybe this idea has been paraphrased enough that I’ve lost the nuance.
The game is designed how it’s designed. Players imposing extra restrictions on others joining their groups is just an extra layer of gatekeeping. And it’s not really one that existed so much back in Wrath. But these days with the ridiculous levels of min/maxing it’s far, far worse. Getting to the actual content shouldn’t be such a hassle. It simply creates frustration and resentment, which leads to a toxic playerbase.
I guess what confused me is I thought you were saying the group finder tool reduces accessibility compared to TBCC LFG chat but I think what you’ve been saying is that anything that’s not RDF enables player led gatekeeping compared to RDF.
That’s another discussion entirely, but IMO if you’re trying to evaluate the group finder tool on its own merits, dismissing it simply because it isn’t exactly what you want is hostile toward inspection and analysis of the feature.
They dismiss anything that isnt exactly what they want.
You say you would be fine with a rdf tool that has no teleport, no cross realm and no bonus rewards and they get their auto grouping, nope not good enough for them.
They dont want the auto grouping just to not be “gatekept”, the gatekeeping excuse is there simply because they arent getting exactly what they want. Cross realm, lazy no travelz twleports, extra rewards, instant gratification.
Evidence of not having RDF improving social interation…on a recent stream of beta, the streamer opened the LFG tool and there was 1 tank, 1 healer, and 3 dps all listed for the same dungeon but none were in a group. If only there was a tool that could have put them together…they obviously weren’t interested in the social fabric of the game lol
Waiting at the fountain for gatekeepers to reject your alt because it has one green item, is not engaging content.
Flying at 10,000 ft so you can’t see anyone on the ground and they can’t see you is not engaging content. And if they remove the cross-realm aspect, they can even remove the teleport, making it required anyway.
Engaging content is being able to leave Dalaran and continue playing the game while ‘waiting in the queue’. Being able to fish or herb. Being able to grind some rep, or complete some achievements.
Removing RDF reduces your activity options, not increases them, while waiting for a dungeon.
No, that’s one of the big reasons why the Random in Random Dungeon Finder is what everyone wants. If you’re evaluating the merits of any other tool, the lack of independent adjudication is the biggest flaw and hole in this alternate tool.
I would be OK with this to a degree fine if face one they only wanna do level 70 dungeons that would be OK with me but anything after that I want all of a 80 dungeons and heroic on.
Heroics are way too important to the game play progression not to have them in the LFG tool.
Yeah that’s kind of funny because if you look how we play the game game now and look how people play the game and retail there’s really no difference.
No it’s not an excuse it’s exactly what happens Speaking from somebody That played back then I can tell you it happened quite a bit especially when gear score gets thrown in the mix.
Combined with the achievement Spam you’re going to see people asking for at least 4K Gear score for 10 naxx and 3k for Heroics and you know how I know that we’re seeing it already.
I can’t get into a za or kaera pug Because they say I’m not geared enough they want at least tier 5 And mind you I’m a tank People don’t want an actual challenge they want to be able to just crush the content and get through it as fast as possible.
And before you say maybe you don’t I have never been in a pug Where people have not said Summon in the 1st or 2 sentences or I’m at the stone or I’m flying over.
To the point where people Have borderlined pulled for me because I was drinking And also borderline Demanded I use menopots Instead of drinking yeah.
There is always jerks and idiots in every online game.
If the reason for wanting rdf was purely to stop the gatekeeping your side wouldnt have a peoblem with no bonus rewards, no teleport, and no cross realm.
But the “gatekeeping” isnt really why you want rdf now is it?
Weird it’s almost like there can be multiple reasons why people want LFD. Gatekeeping is certainly one of them, cross realm is also necessary for it to be able to function properly as it requires a large population pool.
At the end of the day people want LFD so they can consistently get groups. It’s really not hard to understand.
not having the Cross-realm for problem servers is the deal breaker, the other two IMO are not as big as a deal. (without that RFD does not help the problem I need it to solve).