IMO I say add RDF so ALL classes and ALL specs can gets groups … If you don’t like RDF then don’t use it …
Except by the very design of wotlk the “no rogues” mentality won’t be there, because even rogues have decent constant aoe in wotlk.
You’re ignoring every change made in wotlk to classes and dungeons and piinting to tbcc saying “see they don’t want a X class in a group so they won’t want them in wotlk as well”
Except all tanks get good aoe threat in wotlk. All healers get good aoe/single target healing in wotlk. All dps get good single target dps and aoe in wotlk. Yes there is still a “best” but it’s no longer by nearly as much of a margin.
There will still be the min max groups, but it will be far less focused on that for heroics in wotlk. Design wise every class had good aoe, some form of interupt or CC, and the content is so faceroll you don’t even need to interupt for CC to get through it.
“Getting groups is impossible without RDF, so if you don’t like it, don’t use it to make your groups”
“Even though I just said that without it, you can’t get groups”
Pick a lane, friend. Is RDF required to get groups or not?
I have read your reply 100 times and have no idea what your talking about .
I think it is required to get groups to avoid the min/max ,class/spec issues that not having RDF causes .
BUT again I say that anyone who is not a fan of a tool that builds a 1 tank , 1 heal , 3 dps group without any other input like stats, class, spec . And also does so within a reasonable time frame no matter what time you play be it 3pm or 3am . You do not have to use the tool if your not a fan or are against it even being in the game. You can do it the old fashioned way. This is not me swerving out of " my lane " . This is me saying if YOU personally do not like RDF then do not use it … But no need to ruin it for the rest of us…
Now I get it. If someone disagrees with your stance they are “screeching”.
Yeah that much is clear, that’s why I called it cognitive dissonance.
The point is that you’re attempting to ride two trains of thought that contradict each other in order to make a point without even realizing that you’re contradicting yourself.
In one hand you’re telling people “if you don’t like it, don’t use it”. Basically, this means you’re expecting them to be easily just as successful in forming a group without RDF, and thus the addition of RDF is no loss to them.
In the other hand you’re also saying that without RDF, you can’t form a group. This logic fails to be cohesive with the former argument, because you just told us to form a group without RDF, “don’t like it, don’t use it”. The internal logic is invalid. You’re telling us to that if we don’t like RDF, to go form a group manually…at the same time as saying that doing so is actually impossible.
You can’t use both arguments at the same time. RDF either has no affect on anti-RDF players’ ability to form groups, or it’s so impactful to them that they can no longer form groups as a result.
No. You’re the one saying that forming a group normally is no problem for you. There’s another chunk of the population that claim to be having a considerable amount of difficulty doing so. The automated system would be of great benefit to them.
You continue to claim that the RDF is so poisonous to the game’s community that the inclusion of it would cause irreparable damage because it is simply too convenient for you to resist choosing it over the healthier option.
I say that is absolute hogwash.
In the real world, people choose to commute to work via bicycle to reduce their carbon emissions, eschew the self-checkout lanes at the grocery to help preserve jobs. Hell, I use a fountain pen for various reasons including that I hate generating excess plastic waste to end up in a landfill.
And you and your faction can’t simply choose to continue forming dungeons groups solely from your own social circle to protect your precious “community”? Do you understand why I simply do not believe you?
I can and I did… And since you have zero problems finding and forming groups then you should chose to not use the RDF… I am 100% confident that it will not effect your gameplay exp at all… Not having it will however effect mine … So I chose to use it …
Completely normal. Nobody knows what in the hell he’s talking about. His posts make little to no sense as is… but then you get 3-4 posts deep and it’s a true WTF moment.
Oh shock and surprise, you have poor comprehension.
Forming a group normally is pretty simple with no RDF.
It’s pretty difficult with RDF implemented.
Your prized feature neuters my preference towards a “Classic style” of forming groups. Hence why this is a great decision by Blizzard.
I sure hope Flying follows … cause that really neuters my preference towards " Classic style " gameplay .
Lies. Talk about poor reading comprehension. A number of people in this very thread have stated that forming groups is not so simple. Maybe when it comes to that particular skill set we have only one leg so to speak. You continue to either ignore or not believe us. This doesn’t endear you to us at all. Also your attitude in general is garbage so this is probably the last time I’m going to waste time and energy engaging with you.
Those of us who were capable of forming groups outside of RDF even when it had plenty of built in incentives proves your second assertion wholly incorrect.
None of us on the pro-RDF side honestly believes that it will be put in with any - let alone all - of the incentives. If you’re absolutely terrified that you won’t be able to form groups with your tight social circle in the face of a neutered RDF, well that is absolutely a “You” problem.
I mean, yeah, flying did a number on the game in ways I’d consider very “un-classic”, hence why Blizzard has seen to limiting it early for most expansions on release until later with some kind of meta-achievement.
The problem with WOTLK is that it was designed around flying, so removing it in WOTLK would render some places completely inaccessible (like Ulduar, for example). So your [meme] suggestion isn’t really as intelligent or cheeky as you’re hoping it to be.
I’m not really worried about anything, because it’s not in the game currently and isn’t slated to be in WOTLKC.
Wait so your saying WOTLK was designed around flying but RDF was not designed around WOTLK ?
Or are you just saying that only features you deem important matter and other folks should not have opinions and preferences ?
Also IMHO removing RDF in WOTLK would render some dungeons completely inaccessible to some classes and spec’s… witch I am guessing is one of the main reason it was added in in the first place
I mean WOTLK deployed a vast majority of its content before RDF was added, and was perfectly playable and enjoyable during all that time, so…yes?
Are you keeping up? This was in the OP.
The more I read from you the more I realize. You sir are Clownshoes .
The only person who’s a clown is someone who can be more than 4-5+ comments deep in a discussion such as you are without still making any sort of elegant point, or even presented any kind of salient logic that can be inferred to piece together a point.
Like, what argument have you made that you believe is airtight? Cus I sure haven’t read any.
It’s the same thing with all of you, you just fall apart at the seams when faced with any opposition and decide the best route is call me a clown or a troll.
Like, have you got anything better? Oh, I’m a clown, OK, now I’m really sold on LFD. Good work.
Says the person who continually ignores or denies that we were able to form server-side groups for targeted gear farming after RDF was implemented and still claims that the pug scene is exactly as healthy as it was in 2007. Sure, Jan.
As if you were ever going to change your mind. More lies.
Never called you a Clown… That would be an insult to clowns…
“Calling someone clown shoes and calling someone a clown are in no way meant to be similar insults. At all.”
Imagine implying this.