Sir, you’re arguing with the wrong person, I’m pro-rdf.
My mistake then.
They did say they were going to polish it up though, as an alternative due to their removal of the DF.
Is that not good enough?
Haven’t seen or heard anything to form any form of opinion on what a polished up version would be so my answer is a resounding “Maybe”.
Fair enough.
If they make no measurable changes to LFG for WOTLK-C even I would consider that somewhat unfair as per a trade off with DF’s removal, so hopefully that does materialize soon and hopefully it is significant.
Well I just disagree entirely with this statement.
Blizzard also seems to as well. You might have to evaluate the “why” if you want to fundamentally understand why Blizzard made the choice they did.
I don’t have a lot of faith in the same dev team that wants to restrict dual-spec “just because”. I’d be less reticent if they had announced specific changes to the TBC LFG tool when they announced removing RDF. Anything that makes it easier to form any sort of group is a plus in my book. Whether it be for dungeons, raids, or just specific group quests or what-have-you.
I’d still vastly prefer to have some form of RDF of course.
Despite having a lot of my posts continually restored repeatedly, indicating that some folks are incessantly reporting my posts as trolling when they aren’t, I’m glad that we have been able to foster what is easily the most extensive consolidated thread of discussion on this subject (by a large margin).
No matter which way you lean, I’m glad you’re all here to share your thoughts.
Why blizzard made the choice they did is so they can flip a 180 later and look like they’re listening and be the “good guys”, they do it all the time.
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Either they don’t play classic or they play with blinders on. Literally right now on my server, people are trying to sell Quagmirran’s Eye in LFG. If that’s the social aspect of the game that you’re trying to preserve then I have no choice but to question your motives.
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So Joe lives in a town that only has a single martini bar, and loves it. Joe never has a problem getting into the joint. He loves the fact that he gets to walk past all the people in line, clamoring to get in. He loves the fact that the door guy only lets “the right” people into the bar. They have to be wearing the right clothes. They have to have the right education. They have to have the right “breeding”. It’s been the best time of Joe’s life.
However, there’s been rumors about a guy that’s going to open a dive bar down the street. To make matters worse, this guy has the audacity to plan on letting anyone in the door that wants to come. “This cannot stand!” Joe says to himself. That place will obviously be “dirty”. There might even be fist-fights! The beer will be watered down!
Joe strongly believes that people shouldn’t be subjected to such a place. People should have to meet his standards to gain access to the type of entertainment a bar offers. This is unacceptable so he petitions the mayor to put a stop to it before it can even open.
What is really troubling Joe is that the new dive bar will attract everyone that isn’t like him. There won’t be a line in front of the martini bar for him to walk past. The people won’t envy him for having that access. There won’t be anyone left for him to lord over while paying 30g for his overpriced martini. It would be a disaster.
Poor Joe, someone failed him in life.
I don’t think I need to go in to all the ways that this is an abysmal analogy…
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The post is an apt allegory for what is happening with the dungeon finder discussion. We want a system which use would be entirely optional that would allow us to queue for and actually run dungeons on our own terms and our own time. You don’t have to use it.
We will still be running with our guilds when possible. Everyone will. We will still be talking on discord (even with the randoms in the df groups). There will still be plenty of socializing happening. We will just be running the dungeon while doing it. We won’t be sitting around waiting for a group that has no guarantee of even forming.
You can continue to form your groups how you do today. You are completely unaffected by having dungeon finder available to everyone else. That is unless the spirit of Joe’s story hits a little close to home for you.
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No, as stated it’s rather poor.
I don’t think you’re educated on a concept referred to as “the illusion of choice”.
Our “choice” remains, sure, only after being heavily impacted if not made fully redundant (this is actually what happened in the actual historical timeline of WoW) by the mere existence of DF being in the game.
This is like breaking someone’s leg and telling them that they should still be able to walk if they mostly use the other one.
You’re severely impacting our preferred state of group forming dynamics. We aren’t “unaffected”. It’s simple logic, once you add DF, you immediately remove a ton of candidates from our pool of potential non-DF-users, simply because DF is the path of least resistance on a path that by design should have resistance.
Thankfully, Blizzard agrees, and probably reads your post thinking “what is this guy on about…” like I did…
Yes, you are bad players who need to gatekeep. We understand this.
Once again, blizzard agrees it’s a good money making strategy to do something and then reverse it so they look like the good guy, they agree on that a lot.
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But then bad players cant gatekeep and lie about “MuH SocIaL eXpErIeNcE”.
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Well this is a theory in regards to DF’s removal and remains to be seen.
Time will tell.
Pretty common thing for them to do though.
Create a problem, hold back the solution until people forget they created the problem, release the solution and be praised.
Some dude encouraged me to make a spam macro. Said that was socially interacting. I said it was just a button and he told me I wasn’t getting it.
That’s what we’re up against.
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