This is the absolutely salient point that needs to be made☝️
WOTLK was “the beginning of the end” for many in terms of when the game diverged away from the “classic style” most distinctively.
What it means is that Blizzard knew that they would eventually have to make a choice:
Allow Classic to be unique, and try to maintain aspects that they originally changed or modified, to give it an alternate destination…
OR
…you allow the game to make that same exact original transformation in to a style of product that “classic” style wow players have categorized for years as the divergent path that changed what kind of game WoW is.
Personally I don’t want to see them kill my favorite style of game twice, and I’m okay with #somechanges in order to achieve that, and potentially, achieve a brand new sort of product that could even be wholly unique from it’s predecessors in that it paves the way for other modern MMOs that follow it’s protocols rather than the “tried and true” superficial theme park designs we get in every single new game attempt today.
It was clear that a “Wrath Classic” was always going to be a slightly contradictory existence. “Classic” entails certain old-hats of WoW design being left in, but Wrath itself was also looked at as a casual expansion, and the beginning of WoW’s transformation away from that “Classic” style.
So it was definitely expected that the community discussion around needs/desires would look a lot more mixed than Vanilla Classic, and even that had firey discussion over various aspects (world buffs).
Given their track record with their recent legal troubles, coupled with the fact that they favor their pet demographics, the hype train and the Elitists, it’s not that far-fetched to think y’all were in cahoots.
If Wrath is too fun it will probably bleed time away from retail. If that happens, there’s a realistic chance that less tokens and services will be bought. They know this is the classic most people have been waiting for, but retail is where the fomo is happening. Fomo=money.
It makes sense if you look at it from a business point of view.
I’m not going to lie, out of all my years on these forums, I think this might just the most absurd accusation where I’m not sure it’s satire or not.
Most of the time, there’s a very clear line between trolling and unreasonable, but “The players were in on the secret and they lied to us” takes the cake.
No, he was talking about people like you. The fact is, I only joined the classic experience when it became clear that WoTLK was going to happen (right after they announced BC: classic. and joined specifically because I assumed LFD was coming wtih wrath. I will likely go back to retail eventually.
Sure, I’ll play Wrath at the beginning. Everyone will be on the same page and progressing through the same content so it should be fun, but eventually it will turn into raid logging just like we have with BC right now. Blizzard has not only shown they have no will to solve the low pop server problem, but I’m not even sure they can.
Note, it doesn’t have to be the LFD tool, it can be the retail version of LFG (that you have to use for mythic content). Cross realm, battlegroups etc etc. All that will have to happen. At that point, what will be your argument against LFD?
so you didnt read anything, is what your saying. theres multiple statements that ive made that. its not a google search, go to anything past the 2 day’s mark, and you’ll find it. anything before the 2day mark is just me responding the anti rdf trolls with their own rhetoric by merely asking for proof instead of baseless speculation.
Your reply to me started out like this, you jumped straight to accusing me of not reading (aka an insult, to someone who is kind of and even could be “on your side”). That’s EXACTLY the point I was making.
Yes, I did read other things before I said what I said or I wouldn’t have said it. Since you said there was a history of posts in a follow-up and I didn’t want to misjudge because that’s not fair, I skimmed this, and yes, I see insults made to others and “attacking the poster not the context” from April 22nd: Profile - Öongaboonga-benediction - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)
Anyway, I posted mainly to explain how that type of arguing style looks to people on the fence, and to say it’s better to attack the argument, not the poster. What I have to say probably doesn’t matter but that’s ok. If I see personal insults that are bad enough/bullying (on either side BTW) I’ll flag for trolling since all of it is borderline against the CoC.
I want the feature to be able to play the content. Many people, especially dps, find that they weren’t able to play the content because they were spending so much time looking for people to play the content with, often unsuccessfully
Did you play wrath for the whole 12 months that the dungeon finder was part of the game or did you quit a month or so after ICC was released and you geared up? If you played wrath for 25 months nearly half the time you played with the dungeon finder in the game.
Once again, we want to play the content that is wrath, the dungeon content. What many people have been saying is with the lfg channel they are not finding groups to play the content. That’s why they added the dungeon finder in wrath 15 years ago. People were saying then that they wanted to play the content of the game but were spend hours of their play time looking for people to play with and not being able to play the content of the game.
You’re right, finding a group to run dungeons while leveling can be tough, especially with boosts. So fine, Dungeon Finder for non-current (vanilla and TBC) content.
do you want an apology? im not stopping you from playing the victim card, i just thought what you said was ridiculous.
actually click on the links and read what was said, instead of grabbing out of context comments.
Theres no such thing as “on the fence” when it comes to this subject, you either want a better gaming experince that rewards your time for playing the game or you want to continue this arbitrary and time sink of a method to build groups that you gain nothing from.
No, I do not want an apology. in fact, I knew what I was getting into when I made the response. I am most definitely “playing a victim” and knew any replies would be aggressive but I wanted to say what I did anyway. It is clear that there was no point with you but that’s ok, I’m sure some others understand.
On the fence - I know a lot of people who are not passionate either way - and there are other things that matter to me more. RDF being in the game or not will matter for my gameplay by about 0.1%. So if they add it I’ll be fine (and happy for the good people who got something to help them) if they don’t i’ll be fine.
