I liked Shadowlands Cinematic.
I liked BFA ending cinematic.
Both were good. Sometimes you don’t need to drag things out.
Yes but for some people - especially the players who loved Lich king, ‘lost’ can have the same meaning with ‘defeated’. And about why Sylvanas can do that? There’s a lot of opinions, too. Because she got the power from Jailor - the one I really don’t know how strong he/she is or how much he/she is stronger than Lich King? Or because Lich King hasn’t had proper fight for years?
Yeah this is the part I don’t like the cinematic.
The problem with the Shadowlands cinematic is that much of Sylvanas’ development and power gains haven’t been shown to the player ingame. If you read the recent novels and actively seek out the other lore tidbits, it makes a lot more sense but a lot of players don’t even read quest text much less read novella.
So aside from Sylvanas being overused as a character lately and a little untasteful retconning, it’s mostly a potentially good story being told very poorly.
With N’zoth however, it’s clearly just a case of rushed development by an understaffed and underfunded team. There’s so many threads showing that they had a much grander plan, that there was likely to be some big twist that would resolve in the now scrapped 8.3.5 patch, and that they just had the need to cut not just this story, but BfA as a whole to funnel everything into Shadowlands. It’s like if J.K. Rowling suddenly had to scrap Deathly Hallows Part 2 and turn the last few chapters of Part 1 into the grand finale.
The Sylvanas story is clunky but serviceable to the right person, but the N’zoth ending is just disappointing and Shadowlands will have to be an absolutely exceptional expansion for it to be remotely worth it.
At the very least Blizz seems to have left the thread that some of N’zoth’s essence was preserved in the blade of Xal’atath so they can do him justice in the future.
Well that’s the whole mystery. Well, I guess there isn’t a mystery since his concept art was leaked and we’ve been told he’s the antithesis to the Arbiter who predates time itself.
So yeah that kind of tells you all you need to know.
Just to make sure, your reasoning is because we don’t see Bolvar after Sylvanas breaks open the sky, we don’t know if he survived?
What do you mean? Sylvanas been doing secret stuff for ages. You got the big reveal that she has more power when she called the Horde nothing. That was the reveal of her extra power.
I don’t get it. Why do people think all of this wasn’t telegraphed? I saw it coming. People are acting like Blizzard didn’t make it very clear Sylvanas was pursuing her own agenda. Do they have to release background notes, put a glowing sign over her head, have a phone call between her and the Jailor and release a signed contract stating “I Sylvanas agree to do this thing for enhanced banshee form and enough power to take down the Lich King and rip his helmet open shattering the wall between life and death” before releasing the Shadowlands cinematic?
I mean really. This all reeks of pointless hating for the sake of hating. Blizzard set all this up. I can’t think of any one that paid any attention to the Lore that didn’t know Sylvanas was planning something.
Now we got people pretending Blizzard didn’t set all this up? C’mon now. Are people getting mad to get mad? Sylvanas made a deal for power. The Cinematic and some of the stuff in the final raid are making it clear what that deal with, but how could nearly everyone that played this xpac not know Sylvanas was pursuing her agenda? I mean really.
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When Goku beat Frieza he was a Super Saiyan.
If he beat Frieza as his base form, that’d be dumb.
This is basically the same thing.
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The Shadowlands features trailer was narrated by Bolvar and it sounds like he will sort of guide us into it, as he laments having failed to maintain the veil.
Also an interesting detail to note is that the chains Sylvanas used to snare him were in the same style as the ones on the Jailer’s silhouette, more directly showing the shared power.
I think we saw the Bolvar alive in the cinematic? Even he talked to her. And it doesn’t seem that she killed him after that… I dunno how could I know? 
But there is Taelia… so I think Bolvar can be one of the important figures in Shadowlands.
And I’m not LK lover, so
I’m merely talking about Blizz depicted the fight between S vs. LK very ambiguously. Just think of bfa or Legion first cinematics. They were very direct and obvious.
Exactly.
I wasn’t asking you if he was alive. I’m asking you if you thought he died because from your wording it seemed like you thought that.
What do you mean by direct and obvious?
My thought? Like I said, I don’t think so. at this moment.
I said ‘How could I know?’ because I don’t trust Blizz writers now. You know, maybe Blizz will say at some point like ‘hey, LK’s dead already because Sylvanas took his helmet!’
That means we could figure out why they are doing that, who’s our enemy is, and what we are going to do in the next expansion.
This was my first blizzcon and the audience was psyched at the SL trailer.
Going to YouTube a few days later and seeing the likes/dislikes was completely opposite of the attendees and reaction.
The line for the demo was huge too. Only Diablo 4 had a longer one.
And every WoW panel in the mythic hall had a huge line forces to wait in overflow for fire code.
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You have no clue what a Marry Sue is most of you rejects don’t even know what it means
Mar·y Sue
noun
- (originally in fan fiction) a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses.
Sylvanas is characters with so many flaws and weaknesses its laughable.
If you don’t like Sylv just say it but stop calling her and other fenale characters Mary Sue cause you don’t like them.
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I’m not even sure how you put the Shadowlands cinematic on the same level as an in game cutscene.
And that cinematic was good. The storyline made sense and it had that little twist when we thought she was going to put on the helm. The tone was good, the length was good, the fight was good— if you actually know the backstory. But seeing as how people don’t understand the storyline, this is why we end up with some sort of outrage.
Don’t like Sylvanas? Fine. Neither do I. Not looking forward to dealing with her and some stupid Jailor concept. But Bolvar knew what he was up against, saw it coming, knew he couldn’t beat the power she now has from the Jailor and the cinematic conveyed that.
Do I like her being some OP thing? Nope. I think they destroyed her character long ago.
But as far as a cinematic goes… that was well done, regardless of my feelings about her.
The N’zoth cutscene was a travesty to an Old God that’s been manipulating things and people since before WoW itself (aka, Fandral).
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Add to that the original definition also says the character is a personification of the writer.
People throw out “Mary Sue” every time they dislike a character.
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Oh so we obviously knew why the demons were invading. We also totally knew why Deathwing went nuts. Of course we even knew the enemy of Pandaria! Totally!
Shadowlands was probably one of the most obvious trailers using your logic. We knew Sylvanas was the enemy, we knew we were going to the Shadowlands, and we knew Sylvanas was fighting Bolvar because she had a goal in the Shadowlands. Right afterwards, in the features trailer, we’re then shown the Jailor. Twice.
I don’t know what’s so vague to you about this cinematic. It’s pretty self-explanatory.
I was under the impression you didn’t know if Bolvar died in the cinematic, and that’s why you thought it was a bad cinematic.
That makes literally zero sense but OK.
Show academic proof or its fake news Mary Sue.
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Sylvanas has some very clear flaws. First she’s a genocidal maniac who has no value for life. Also her ego is so big to the point where she ends up messing up her own plans.
But these other people don’t seem to get that and say Sylvanas is a Mary Sue without, as you said, knowing what the word means.
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This!! This one. Right there.
So are we going to kill Sylvanas in Shadowlands? And she will be gone forever? That’s what exactly I want.
Zero chance to she becoming Kerrigan or saviour?
I don’t like the cinematic not because I don’t know whether LK is dead or not. Like I said, I’m not LK lover and I’m Legion newbie.
I don’t like the cinematic because I don’t have answers for Sylvanas!!
Edit) You know what Blizz have said about Sylvanas after she fled away? All they have said was ‘oh pls do not hate her’ 
That’s why I started to come here in the first place.
It seems that there are a lot of people who don’t like it because they don’t know LK’s dead or not? See. Ambiguity.
Edit) And Blizz should’ve thought deeper than that if they are going to mess with the one of the most symbolic figures in wow.
I can’t tell if you’re actually somehow upset that I agreed with you, or if this is sarcasm…
But I shall oblige:
A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Typically, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.
As taken from the book Career Building Through Fan Fiction Writing by Miriam Segall published in 2008.
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