I am asking you a question based on your statement. You said
I don’t know if you’ve played retail lately, but Shadowlands does not have Dual Spec.
Dual Spec was implemented during WotLK. So, if you’re associating it with retail, you’ve essentially labeled WotLK as a Retail product. Now, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and asking you straight-up:
Do you consider WotLK retail or not?
I know who you’re arguing with, and his only goal is to pointlessly derail. Clearly there is zero purpose in trying to point out a conflation between dual spec and retail’s current iteration of specs given they both achieve the same goal, neither of which we want in TBC.
Fun for a little while, but eventually it will begin to feel like you’re beating up a special needs kid or something.
As opposed to, what? Beating up anyone else?
Hang on, so, on the basis of blizzard having already made some changes you surmise that Blizzard consider #nochanges and #nomorechanges as the same.
That is circular…
Because there have been some changes Blizzard therefore must support future changes, because they have made some changes. They wouldn’t have made any changes if they were not in favour of making more changes …
That is an entirely circular and baseless argument. Reductio ad absurdum.
If you truely believe your argument then you must believe that not only some changes should happen but all changes MUST happen.
The truth is that the presence of some changes does not in itself validate or guarantee any future changes. They must be assessed on their own merits.
if you can’t see the 58 boosts effect on the economy across even smaller servers, certain materials are so over supplied by bots that they’re almost worthless, this is with a much more frequent set of ban waves coming out shortly after launch that have been catching a lot of these bots but having almost zero effect on the in game economy because the bots simply boost and get right back into it.
I want dual spec too and old mate you’re arguing with is making purist points against dual spec that don’t make sense since he says you can’t change the game yet blizzard have changed it multiple times proving that wrong entirely, but to claim the 58 boost hasn’t had disastrous effects on the in game economy and caused quite a lot of people to quit and lose faith in blizzard’s recreation of TBC at this point it’s nothing but willful ignorance and denial.
He doesn’t need to. You are advocating for a change, you justify why it should be made.
I also approve of adding dual spec, but not because I want it. I really don’t care if it’s ever added or not. I would just be delighted to hear the crybabies cry about trying to hang onto the #nochanges myth. Gets me all giddy inside 
What a sad state of affairs your life must in if that’s what gets you going. lol and to openly admit it like that, at least your name checks out for the type of person you must be
Um no. He’s saying you shouldn’t change the game if you don’t have a good reason to. Noone has said you can’t change the game. Noone has said changes haven’t been made.
What you’re saying is illogical. That because changes have been made Blizzard must implement your change.
Essentially you’re suggesting that the only justification you need for any change is the fact that there exist other changes. That’s nuts.
You need to build a case for dual spec that rests on something more than - “there’s been changes”, and “I want it”. The existence of other changes does not offer any reason for why we should have your suggested change.
The onus of proof is not on the “no” side as we are not making a proposition. The only way you can make it so we are is by cornering us into #nochanges. If we were saying we want no changes we’d have something to prove, but we’re not. We’re opposing this specific change.
By falsely casting us as no changes advocates you are forcing a proposition on us that we are not making. We’re not making the proposition that there should be no changes. We are arguing against the proposition that dual spec in particular will be good for TBC classic. We’re rejecting your proposition.
Maybe because that was an aside on the post between me and someone who agreed on dual spec, hence why you’re picking out 7 words from the two paragraphs I posted about the 58 boost being a bad change.
Also
I was literally responding to someone who was responding to someone who said that the reason we shouldn’t have dual spec even though it was a change made because of player requests in TBC because it was a feature from wrath, saying that blizzard’s changes have been terrible citing the 58 boost as a disaster. The guy I responded to said that the 58 was great for him and his friends and the idea of the being a disaster is a “lie.”
that’s why my whole post is about 58 boost and has 1 sentence that mentions that I agree with the person I’m arguing with on some points.
According to you this is proof that
None of which is remotely related to my post about the 58 boost and it’s effect on the in game economy. The fact that I mentioned one person was making Purist points such as “dual spec should only come out when it came it historically” is so triggering to you that you’ve been responding to every comment on this thread for 17 days…
It’s really not making your case that “people who want dual spec are just a vocal minority” when you’ve been going insane over anything that even remotely mentions that they want dual spec.
I could go into why I want dual spec here and now but there’s an old saying about this one its hard winning an argument with a smart person but its impossible with an idiot.
Also frankly dual spec isn’t a hill I would die on I feel like there are a lot of other issues that are a bigger concern to the game’s health right now.
Well don’t then. If you think I’m an insane idiot - as you have said here - don’t reply.
All I’m hearing is someone stamping their feet because they can’t have everything they want when they want it. You need to chill and stop lashing out at people who simply enjoy the game in a different way than you do. Accept that it’s not just your game, it’s mine too.
Dual spec is a hill I would and have thrown in with. It’s a bit of a last straw for me. It seriously cheapens the RP experience of choice for me - so if you get what you want I’m pretty much that far away from leaving. Don’t worry - I won’t announce it or get angry, I’ll just move to something more interesting … like I did ten years ago when I quit wow then.
I basically left MMOs and just played coops and rpgs once they started ditching all the rp elements - I’ll just do that again. But in the meantime, I will do what I can to make it known there are people playing this game like me who enjoy the RP elements, the impact of choice etc. That unless there’s an actual reason to change it should not be changed.
So simply don’t use it, if going to a trainer to respec adds some valuable RPG experience for some reason then keep doing it. Dual spec does not in any way prevent you from doing so.
I’ll do better - I won’t play a game that doesn’t have engaging RP elements. I’m not some committed wow player who’s played non stop for 16 years, I quit 10 years ago when RP got chucked on the heap. I came back for classic.
Now I get that people like me aren’t the only people playing this but we exist. And unlike people like you we are the kind of players who do quietly leave when the game stops delivering.
The way current respecs work is not an engaging RP Element so you should probably just quit now.
Beat me to it. 
Anything that enhances consequence for choice is. If I had my way I’d have the cost increased - make the choice more not less impactful. But, I know that my needs aren’t the only important needs - so instead I opt for a no change position on it.
It’s a change to that which I haven’t heard a convincing reason for. So I don’t want it.
You say it’s inconsequential - so why do you want it so much?
Right but the great thing about optional features is if you don’t want them you can not use them.
That you don’t have the same motivations to use dual spec as others doesn’t mean others don’t have very good reasons they want dual spec.
What I said is it’s inconsequential to you, you are very self centered and don’t understand that while it might not matter to you others particularly depending on class/spec/areas of game interest would have their game play greatly improved by it.
The limitation is not fun or engaging if it is optional. It’s like saying I can fight naked if I want to.
Anyway it is how it is in the game. You want to change it I don’t. But unlike me you think your gaming needs are more important than mine. That’s really all this is - entitlement. I want the game with respect to specialisation to be as it is and you want it changed.
Now if I were begging Blizzard every night to up the respec cost because that’s what I’d prefer then maybe you’d have a point. That would be a proposition that I would have to defend. But I don’t. Because the best compromise between the kind of game I want and the kind of game you want is this - what we have.
Entitlement is wanting something self centered just because, usually at the expense of others. That is your position.
A lot of people have given a lot of varying reasons why they feel dual spec would improve multiple aspects of game play. That is not entitlement.
You want to change the game at my expense for your own convenience …