I’ll play whatever I like. I’ll play TBC, arguably the worst expansion they released, and I’ll vote for nothing but changes to fix this game.
I don’t want your “fixes”.
The entitlement is amazing.
All I want is to play the game as it is. Get what we all paid for.
You by contrast want to impose changes that enforce your idea of what good game design is on the rest of us simply to maintain the right to play a game that it’s not even clear you like …
Lol and we’re supposedly the toxic and selfish ones hmm
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I begged for Classic+ on my other account on these forums. Because TBC is a very bad expansion and I knew it cause I played it. The only version of this game that was ever good was Vanilla. This is what they gave us, and retail is far worse. I’d rather play this cause I do have fun, but there are too many issues, too many things they ruined from the transition from classic to TBC. I would have loved dual-spec in vanilla, too. It would have saved us a lot of headaches. Respeccing then was worse then than it is now. Gold wasn’t as easy to get at first. Anyways, thank god Blizzard is all about changes now.
Hey, next thing gotta ask for is the WoW Token. If we gotta pay 50g for respecs, at least give us the option to buy gold to support that.
Hell yeah man, I’m down.
Well, kudos for the honesty at least. I respectfully disagree. It’s probably my second favourite iteration of the game next to Vanilla. I’d like to enjoy it while it lasts.
Not have people who don’t even like it come in and butcher it with their value judgements on what makes “good game design”.
I mean, you knew you didn’t like the expansion, then came back anyway intent on “fixing” it … weird (well I think that’s weird - maybe I’m weird for thinking that though…). Personally I don’t waste money or time on games I don’t like.
Thanks but no thanks, I don’t need you to save me or fix my game. I’m happy with it and having a lot of fun playing it again. Come back when your game arrives. I hope you enjoy it just as much as I’m enjoying my preferred version.
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Um, I don’t know if you remember, but dual spec wasn’t just missing from “my TBC”. That is to say…dual spec wasn’t in anyone’s TBC.
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"Have you ever thought about adding servers to previous expansions as they were then?" [emphasis added]
“No, and by the way, you don’t want to do that, either. You think you do, but you don’t.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wrw3c2NjeE
The infamous exchange with Blizzard that went viral and brought the Classic movement into mainstream consciousness and led us to where we are today.
Look at that poor dude wearing the hood. Look him in the eyes. Obviously, he’s a major Classic enthusiast, he wants it so badly… “… as they were then.” And then look at J. Allen Brack, this smiling, condescending prick basically saying, no, you’re stupid.
Now look at all of these threads. Those continuing to want Classic TBC servers to be “as they were then,” are the sad guy in the hood, pleading. And all of you demanding modern features like dual spec are J. Allen Brack, with the condescending evil smile, telling them that they are stupid… and you’re doing everything in your power to dash the dreams of the poor kid in the hood with the sad eyes.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Wait for Wrath for Wrath features. It shouldn’t be too much to ask.
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Careful, someone’s gonna basically deny your entire argument because dual spec “isn’t a modern feature” (not in retail).
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Unfortunately, my game is never coming back again.
Sure. I can cop to that.
I too would agree Ziryus has been the least aggravating person to discuss it with.
I’m human, and I’m empathetic for the plight. I’m doing my best to both be firm about how I feel the reality should be, while still respecting the POV.
The problem is the forum environment, I think. It’s really dog eat dog here, isn’t it? Every single comment comes attached to a condescending smack about your experience, your IQ, your chromosome count. It’s really easy to get caught up in that and wear spikes going in to discussions here, and I admit, maybe Ziryus specifically isn’t deserving of the fire.
It was argued earlier that I’m a racist for not wanting dual spec by a certain someone, so my mind is now open to all angles of attack.
Agree. It’s pvp in a sense. Worse than politics in many ways. WoW forums seem to be among the worst gaming forums imo for proliferation of disingenuous argument tactics and basic toxicity…
I just think it comes down to lack of moderation over the long term leading to an adversarial culture. It taints everyone involved including you and me. I always come off the forums feeling like I’ve become just that little bit more of a douche bag. I tend to go on forum vacations as a result ;p
I’m choosing to be active in this case because I looked forward to TBC classic and I feel like silence from those of us that enjoy it will be misconstrued as uniformity of community support for changes.
Lol I’ve been accused as being racist here too - standard wow forum ploy, drown out your opponent, make them over elaborate until their points are obscure, then gaslight them as dishonest, vague and personally attack them through misrepresenting their claims. Call them racist, egotists, dogmatists, whatever it takes to discredit them and thus make people not regard their opinion. Anything but address the actual argument.
It’s tactical, not a discussion. And it only happens because it hardly ever gets punished. This is irrespective of the opinion btw - anyone agitating for any buff or change routinely does this sort of thing, and people keep getting away with it.
To be fair, it’s not like I’m clean - it’s such a dominant culture here. But I’d gladly cop some deletions and a suspension where I’ve been guilty in the interests of cleaning up the forums. They’re a disgrace. It’s down to Blizzard in the end - they need to actively enforce their ToS. I’ll do whatever I can to improve my behaviour - but unless Bliz more actively enforce their ToS on the forums they will continue to be notoriously toxic.
If I’m being truly honest, all things considered, and when I say “all things” I mean…
…what they’ve said about changes, the changes they’ve made, the trend of where Blizzard tends to go on certain design patterns, their approach to TBCC thus far…
I actually don’t see them adding it. Like, in all reality, I truly don’t think they will add dual spec.
I’m not saying this in an attempt stake my flag down as if I’ve “won” the discussion, but in the sense of like if someone asked which team were going to win the sports game, based on the knowledge you have, what do you think the result will be, a purely objective outcome based prediction: I honestly don’t see them adding it, even if the support was universal.
I truly do see dual spec as in a different echelon and I think even the modern day classic team (what’s left of it) would probably feel that way too.
Again, I’m open to being wrong, but I think it’s going to be a looooong expansion of begging for this feature if Blizzard doesn’t come out and make a hard line stance on it, or something to that effect.
I tend to agree.
The only guenuine reason for them to implement it is that a lot of people like the feature. But they also know that putting it in early will peeve a lot of people off. They will want to appease both groups.
They can do that simplest by introducing Dualspec semi early - say at the start of WoTLK or the prepatch at the earliest.
That will minimize drama and maximise new subs and revenue when WoTLK gets announced. Win/Win.
Blizzard like money, Blizzard staff hate unnecessary drama (they’re not paid enough). Both of those motivations put adverse pressure on adding dual spec early. It can get added at a point where it maximizes revenue and minimizes controversy.
It’s so true though, that adding it now would be putting the cart so far before the horse.
There’s a ton of content coming along that will greatly reduce the “need” for dual spec. Dailies, a group-finding tool, or plain simple distraction because of more raiding to actually do.
I think right now the current bubble up of dual spec discussion is due to people just…plain and simply being bored right now and they’re spending more time not-raiding or not-playing than they are playing. There’s not much to do. I’m a farmed player too, have all my reps, my epic mount, basically waiting on that 1-2 drops I still don’t have to be phase BIS. I totally get it. There’s no distractions so people are bored and they take out their frustrations in these sorts of ways.
So I even fault Blizzard a bit for a pretty poor plan for P1. Kara/Mag/Gruul just wasn’t enough.
Yep the other thing is that they’re struggling with release schedule to keep the content coming in a timely fashion. The last thing they’ll want to do is speed up players progress and take away time sinks. if anything the grindy stuff is the only thing keeping people logged in at the moment.
At anyrate - I could be wrong as you could. But I think its a dead end. Not going to lie - good.
No.
Rofl. No.
yeah I agree
Forshame. =/
I don’t have shame in asking for something the majority of players want. I don’t have shame in doing what Blizzard wanted us to do, talk about the changes we’d like to see.
I don’t care if some Classic “No-changers” try to bring up some sob story to justify “No-changes” in a game that the sob story WASN’T EVEN ABOUT.
“No-changers” are trying to claim TBC for themselves.
“No-changers” will then try to claim WoTLK for themselves.
The “No-change” campaign was about Classic, and now those goalposts are being moved. Selfish, loud minority.